Generic Immortal 1E deck. Ideas & help please
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Post by xavier on Jan 9, 2009 11:07:36 GMT -5
They might get a victory every now and then against Kanwulf or Caspian or Nakano. OMG Ok, Nakano sucks... But Kanwulf??? Caspian??? We haven't seen the same decks around here. I can think about at least one killer Caspian deck, and Two for Kanwulf... 1ed weak caracters are: Luther Amanda (most of the time ) Kastagir Nakano Kane (even though I haven't seen him a lot) Kidman That is it I think...
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Post by kevinhardy on Feb 19, 2009 18:26:47 GMT -5
use a 2ned katana weapon of chioce and its attack cards, lightinging sstrikes to make the deck a bit more effective
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Post by headswillroll on Feb 24, 2009 22:35:42 GMT -5
This is where Type One steps over the unimaginative bounds of some players. All immortals whether they are Generic or not could be made into tough decks if twisted in the right direction. The addition of the 2ed unbugged cards accentuates this. We had a Type One tourney just a few weeks ago that had Paul Kinman as the winner over Methos/Kronos/Malick/Amanda, as well as other personas. So to say that any immortal is weak at this stage of the game would be incorrect.
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Static Cat
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Post by Static Cat on Feb 25, 2009 5:06:20 GMT -5
Here's my Generic Rowdy Roddy Piper Immortal deck
Generic Immortal Claymore Slan Q Luthor Q Kurgan Q There Can Be Only One : Headshot
Event/Situations/Locations/Objects/Edges
Tight Squeeze x2 Dead End Alley x2 Higher Ground x4 Advanced Warning x2 Destruction : Plot : Duel x2 Destruction : Plot : Defeat x2 Destruction : Plot : Tonight You Sleep In Hell ( next 3 upper attacks Head Shots ) Head Shot x4 Police : Event : Remove a Situation x2 Misfortune Quality Blade : Claymore Extra Weapon
Attacks/Defenses
Upper Center Attack x15 Lower Guard x4 Upper Center Block x4 Upper Left Block Upper Right Block
That's my generic deck, yes there are no Master cards in the deck nor persona specific cards and the deck worked quite well. I originally had the Event that protected Situations but found that after playing the third Higher Ground most people we either out of trips or out of police so it generally stuck around for a bit.
You can easily add master cards generally the Master Swordsman, however, with the new Second Edition SfV cards, I could see adding the Edge Master Swordsman but we'll see the deck as it stands is entirely type 1 with some MLE ( but I took that out to make the deck for you )
Hope you enjoyed it. Cat
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Daijin
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Post by Daijin on Feb 25, 2009 9:34:31 GMT -5
Lol, what happened to the other required basic attacks and blocks for the deck?
Edit: Never mind, I just found the Generic Immortal Pre-Game that lets you do it! Geez, it's almost like having build-in Crystal! That's a d**n good Generic Immortal!
And it looks like a solid deck. It just makes me shake my head when I see a good generic deck like that and know that people feel Generics Personas are weak.
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Post by buckmoosejaw on Feb 25, 2009 11:25:30 GMT -5
Ok are you guys being serious? Generic Immortals are at a huge disadvantage. I would bet there isn't a deck idea out there that wouldn't be better if you used a "real" immortal, but if you want to handicap yourself to prove a point thats a different arguement.
Richie Ryan is brutal in type 1 and type 2. He can use everyone's super utility cards (Warning, Security Badge, Bone Armor, ecta) and can do the most damage in 1 turn. He also has a good hilt that doesn't make you use the single handed broadsword.
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Daijin
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Post by Daijin on Feb 25, 2009 12:06:22 GMT -5
If he made a generic deck and he said it did well, then that means his disadvantage couldn't have been that big. If it was, his deck wouldn't be doing well, that simple. But it is, thus prove that generics don't have the disadvantage you speak of. Everyone has disadvantages, named Personas aren't immune to that. I think the problem is that everyone is so used to playing with named Personas that it's hard to imagine making a deck without them; they've become a crutch to most players.
And yes, the deck could be better with a named Persona, but his generic deck is doing well...so it's already doing what he wants it to, it doesn't need to be better, it's already good enough.
PS: I have nothing against the single handed broadsword.
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Post by DNecaise on Feb 25, 2009 14:30:58 GMT -5
PS: I have nothing against the single handed broadsword. Nothing per se either, but I suck too bad to use it. I'd never be able to pull off the attacks. Rapier WOC :skip your1st att if necessary/dodge and still attack and plenty of cards add additional attacks. And you can multi attack easily. Katana opposite of Rapier. can't really full dodge but can attack through blocks. Add additional attack cards SHB still workin on...
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Post by Daijin on Feb 25, 2009 15:18:28 GMT -5
lol, the SHB isn't a weapon that you use to force in extra attacks, it takes advantage of Power Blow happy people. The strength is also in the cards, not the weapon itself. Pommel Blow, making your opponent lose 3 cards isn't nice and with the UC Pommel Blow, making them lose all their attacks is nasty. I know this, I've had my brother with the Kurgan go at the most 2 turns without attacking because I made him lose all his attacks.
How do i get extra attacks other than SHB? Annie's 2E persona gives me a free one and I also use her Combinations. Plus, you like to use Quality Blade from SFV for the extra attack, use it with the SHB as well. How to get around the disadvantage blocking PB's? add in generic Counters were you can. Or if the Persona is already dodge happy, even better.
Also, the SHB isn't for everyone either, but for the Persona's it's made for, it works very well. With Amanda, because her Power lets her discard attacks for her effect, the SHB's Quick Parries and especially Weapon Lock is great for her.
With my Annie deck, her Bloodied Pommel is nice, true I can use Patience as well (and I do!) but having a more permanent card cycle source as an option is nice too.
And before anyone says object can be gotten rid of, well, that's the point lol. Why play any card since there are other card in the game that can stop or get rid of them? It's the risk with each card you play, you either get to keep it in play for a while or you don't lol.
Press the Attack is also very sweet for an aggressive person like Annie because you can discard it during the Sweep Phase to get all unsuccessful attacks back to your hand.
So I like it not for the weapon's power directly, but for the cards that go with it. And from our talk of me dealing with constant PB's, I don't lol. I added in more dodges, as you suggested (and I thank you!) and also because of the Pommel Blows, he's being made to discard and draw up a lot, so it adds up to faster Exhaustion, which is also part of my tactics. And when my UC Pommel Blow is successful, all his attacks are gone, no need to worry about PBs.
I think the reason why SHB gets the shaft by most is because it's not the type of WOC that has a power that has obvious uses and benefits. Rapier it's, "look at all the attacks I can do!" Katana "yes i can attack through blocks!"
SHB's power is dependant on its opponent so it can't be abused and that why most don't like it, because it's not easily abusable. I presonally like a challenge and when I saw the card I at first didn't see it as good, but kept in mind that sometimes it's the cards that go with it that make it good. and with the Pommel Blows, Press the Attack and other cards, if one looks carefully, you can see that the SHB is used for recycling your attacks and to help keep you from Exhausting sooner, while beating your opponent's face in with your pommel and tiring them out and at the very least slowing up their strategy because they have to discard.
It's just that not every Persona can make the best use of SHS and because of that too, it's pushed to the side over WOC's that can be used by a wider range of Personas.
Now, I am not saying at all that the SHB is the best WOC ever...heck no haha! There are others that are far better because they can be used by more Personas, so for versitility in that regard, SHS is weak. Then again, back in the day, Kern was also a one trick Persona, make a fat deck, Exert, play all the attacks from it, rinse and repeat. Did his utter lack of versatility stop people from using Kern? No, lol. And it's because his one trick was a powerful one that can easily be used.
However, just because the SHB is more specialized, doesn't mean it sucks either, you just have to find a way to use it. And no Doug, you don't suck lol
And to let you know, thanks to your advise and those of others here, my deck has been doing very well against the Kurgen of all people lol. and my tactics works well, he uses the Two handed broadsword with Kurgen's Custom Broadsword hilt, so he's making all these Exertions at the most 13 cards in one turn (one Exertion to search for a attack/defense, one to make his attack a PB and then the 3-card Exertion for the Hilt when he makes a PB so if i dodge he can kill a card of mine)
So with that many cards he's burning, and my Pommel Blows hitting him, he Exhausts long before I do (he'll have like 10 cards left and I'll have about 30-35 cards). I save all my dodges for his PBs. and if i do get hit, that's why I have Annie's 2E Eye for an Eye in the deck. This is why the SHS works with her: she has cards that take advantage of the SHB's weaknesses and uses them against her opponent.
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Post by DNecaise on Feb 25, 2009 16:12:47 GMT -5
How to get around the disadvantage blocking PB's? add in generic Counters were you can. Or if the Persona is already dodge happy, even better. Also, the SHB isn't for everyone either, but for the Persona's it's made for, it works very well. With Amanda, because her Power lets her discard attacks for her effect, the SHB's Quick Parries and especially Weapon Lock is great for her. Press the Attack So I like it not for the weapon's power directly, but for the cards that go with it. And from our talk of me dealing with constant PB's, I don't lol. I added in more dodges, as you suggested (and I thank you!) and also because of the Pommel Blows, he's being made to discard and draw up a lot, so it adds up to faster Exhaustion, which is also part of my tactics. And when my UC Pommel Blow is successful, all his attacks are gone, no need to worry about PBs. I think the reason why SHB gets the shaft by most is because it's not the type of WOC that has a power that has obvious uses and benefits. SHB's power is dependant on its opponent so it can't be abused and that why most don't like it, because it's not easily abusable. I presonally like a challenge and when I saw the card I at first didn't see it as good, but kept in mind that sometimes it's the cards that go with it that make it good. and with the Pommel Blows, Press the Attack and other cards, if one looks carefully, you can see that the SHB is used for recycling your attacks and to help keep you from Exhausting sooner, while beating your opponent's face in with your pommel and tiring them out and at the very least slowing up their strategy because they have to discard. Now, I am not saying at all that the SHB is the best WOC ever...hec k no haha! There are others that are far better because they can be used by more Personas, so for versitility in that regard, SHS is weak. Then again, back in the day, Kern was also a one trick Persona, make a fat deck, Exert, play all the attacks from it, rinse and repeat. Did his utter lack of versatility stop people from using Kern? No, lol. And it's because his one trick was a powerful one that can easily be used. And to let you know, thanks to your advise and those of others here, my deck has been doing very well against the Kurgen of all people lol. and my tactics works well, he uses the Two handed broadsword with Kurgen's Custom Broadsword hilt, so he's making all these Exertions at the most 13 cards in one turn (one Exertion to search for a attack/defense, one to make his attack a PB and then the 3-card Exertion for the Hilt when he makes a PB so if i dodge he can kill a card of mine) So with that many cards he's burning, and my Pommel Blows hitting him, he Exhausts long before I do (he'll have like 10 cards left and I'll have about 30-35 cards). I save all my dodges for his PBs. and if i do get hit, that's why I have Annie's 2E Eye for an Eye in the deck. This is why the SHS works with her: she has cards that take advantage of the SHB's weaknesses and uses them against her opponent. I don't think I've been able to get past the SHB's fault to be effective. I've been nearly PB'd into oblivion against Slan. But I did forget about the additional attack bonus... so... Does making a 0 card exertion bypass the SHB 1 pt damage rule? I know it did for the Ancestral Blade... Ididn't like the Pommel Blows b/c it allowed my opponent to discard cards-which I didn't want him to recycle. I'm a DT sort of guy, instead of the UC Pommel Blow I use DT:Choke(same effect) discard all attacks A weapon I've been wanting to try is the English Longsword. 6+ Master Dodges(in effect) a modfied experience counts(Elegant Block) more for dodgey people... and an Impale on the Catwalk... i think would rock... ON to the Gladius...crack! ;D
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Daijin
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Post by Daijin on Feb 25, 2009 16:24:55 GMT -5
UC Pommel Blow does a point of damage lol, so it's a little better. and like I said about the fault of tne SHB, Annie uses it with Eye for an Eye, so for all the damage I take, I can make that many extra attacks and I usually end up winning. As I said, the SHB isn't good for all Personas.
I also don't care about the recycling, the cards he discards are cards that can't be used against me lol...and Choke making them discard all attacks would let him recycle too, but for 0 damage, so go with the SHB Pommel Blow for the 1 pt. and that's the thing, if you don't like the cards that go with the weapon, then the weapon will be useless to you, you can't make it work without them.
I haven't been PBed to death. And though Kurgan has to Exert for his PBs, that's 5 points if I'm hit. And even with the Exertions, my bro PB's once a turn, but I always have a dodge to avoid it and the 1pt. Because you told me to put in more dodge, the fault of the SHB has effected me way less and I've been winning more.
I'd use the English Long Sword, I like it and it's cards, but annie doesn't have enough full grid dodges and also, i don't have the promo for the weapon either hehe!
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Static Cat
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Post by Static Cat on Feb 26, 2009 4:04:00 GMT -5
you could always play Rebecca Horne and use the 5 Crystals along with her combination to make uber multiple attacks and if you add Annies Q for an extra one and if you add Galens ( for a free Dirty Trick ) then you could in theory make 1+5+1+1 = 8 attacks 1 being a dirty trick every turn. Well when you had a combination in hand.
Personally I like the English Long Sword and I am not a huge fan of the Single Hand Broadsword the drawback far outweighs the benefit at least in my area.
And as to mention the Generic Deck it's beaten many decks and they've run out of cards to make their work while mine is still going sort of like the energizer bunny head shot, head shot, plot plot plot head shot head shot head shot - wash rinse repeat.
And it's better than you think, don't think that you have to have an ability to play a persona, because someone need play is the Ramirez card that blanks your game text then you have nothing and your a generic immortal as well.
Just food for thought Cat
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Post by DNecaise on Feb 26, 2009 6:32:25 GMT -5
And it's better than you think, don't think that you have to have an ability to play a persona, because someone need play is the Ramirez card that blanks your game text then you have nothing and your a generic immortal as well. Just food for thought Cat I definitely think your right about the ability. If your support cards gave you the same ability it can make you strong. In 1E look at Marcus: you may draw a card for each object:ally you have in play. Doesn't really give you anything to start with. Nef:(2E) et al I think you can make a competitive GI deck-really I do. GI (type 1 obviously) 3 Multi Attack(Kronos ES, MH Combination, Annie Combination) 4 Rapier FB (if needed) Hugh (Trip & Counter) recycle cards Slan Overpower(UB -makes prone) Ramirez: Counter ( built in recon) DT:(Kurgie & Katana) Counter: Grayson & Kurgie YDK:Flurry Strike(a weak Master Swordsman-attack) & Combination Etc. or any combo with any WOC Freebirds QB:extra attack So much you can play around with ...
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Daijin
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Post by Daijin on Feb 26, 2009 7:59:16 GMT -5
It's like I said earlier, I think too many players cling to the ability of named Personas and think that Generics have no chance because they don't have one. Techically they do if you use a GI Persona, and some of their abilities they have are pretty sweet, particually the one that lets you not have to use basics, just at least have 9 attacks and 6 blocks. Oh look...you don't need to bust your wallet to get Pre-game Crystals to do the same thing with named Personas!
And as Cat said, his GI deck has been doing great, so I just can't take to heart the whole Generics are weak bit. If they were, Cat's deck wouldn't be winning, but it is.
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Post by Thorr on Feb 26, 2009 19:58:17 GMT -5
What makes you think you can have 15 of these?
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