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Post by buckmoosejaw on Apr 19, 2009 23:09:40 GMT -5
I don't think you understand. In Swiss under your rules a deck could go undefeated and lose the tournment because someone with a headshot deck could take a few heads against lesser players and end up with more points. While were attacking people who plays lunge with Ramirez it negates his power. LOL I wish my "patented" attack was that cool. I've got an idea how about using Connor instead so you don't need the BoE in your hand. Pssst...Regional Champion = Me. Nothing worth mentioning = you. Gratz you beat 6 people that didn't have a Reshuffle Premium between them!
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Post by swisherfan on Apr 19, 2009 23:23:36 GMT -5
Pssst...Regional Champion = Me. Nothing worth mentioning = you. Gratz you beat 6 people that didn't have a Reshuffle Premium between them! You wanna insult me and my deck...well we can have words, but don't you dare insult the others players you pile. They are a great group who have a love and a respect for this game that you can't even touch. Try to keep this in-house ya 'tard.
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Post by greg on Apr 19, 2009 23:28:53 GMT -5
You did kind of call the regionals held in kc by the design team the special olympics... ALL official regional tournaments will be double elimination. It is the format that is sanctioned.
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Post by brendanparochelli on Apr 19, 2009 23:29:06 GMT -5
Special Olympic Regionals? Midwest had more than twice the number of players than your region. Old Highlander, you could not even qualify for a quickening if your tournament only had seven players.
There were a number of really interesting decks, especially in lean and mean, for both type 1 and 2. Alot of great players (a number on the design/rules team) too and they had cards like DIVINE INTERVENTION and UPPER CENTER BLOCK to deal with your 'patented Ramirez'.
Regardless, you need to relax. People were actually losing Qs when they lost their head in the elimination format. I just wanted to know how your Swiss format handled that rule.
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Post by greg on Apr 19, 2009 23:33:34 GMT -5
Speaking of interesting lean and mean decks, whoever brought that kurgan bloodlust deck was a freakin genius
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Post by Tim Small on Apr 19, 2009 23:37:53 GMT -5
All regionals are supposed to be Double Elimination, "WE" the design team will let it slide this time, but all regionals need to be Double Elimination, as there can be no disputes as who is the winner. Your Swiss format leaves in the air, a sense of a incomplete tournament as their is no way to guarentee that your deck could have beaten the other decks you would have had to face.
As this is also a friendly forum, KEEP IT CLEAN AND INSULT FREE. Acting like children will only get you and your input ignored by the Design Team.
Signed, The Design Team (but not Brent, he doesn't want to talk to you).
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Post by buckmoosejaw on Apr 19, 2009 23:40:33 GMT -5
You did kind of call the regionals held in kc by the design team the special olympics... ALL official regional tournaments will be double elimination. It is the format that is sanctioned. Does that mean their clown shoes swiss regional wasn't even sanctioned? EDIT: just read Tim's post guess they let y'all slide.
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Post by swisherfan on Apr 20, 2009 0:00:52 GMT -5
Yeah, for our next regional we can just have our certified judge input the information into the tournament software with our Nexus ID's.
Oh, I was in fantasy land which is where people who believe Double Elim is superior to Swiss are located. Tim, it gives tiebreakers which are clear cut and well defined. Did you not see the results? Did you not see me as the ONLY undefeated? How would you have a tournament with 50 people? You cannot face every deck as you mentioned. It is not possible. But with Swiss, I have a clear system that runs smoothly and allows me to play players with similar records. It even has two tie-breakers (differential and strength of schedule). The Design Team has done nothing but ignore our views since day one. Look at Thorr and Scottr for how well that has worked out.
I meant no disrespect to other KC players and apologize for that...the rest, well I have a duty to fight stupidity wherever I encounter it.
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Post by swisherfan on Apr 20, 2009 0:10:27 GMT -5
Also, in the "Official H2E Rules" in the "Tournament" section, there is no mention by "The Design Team" that double elimination is the official rules to be used at any tournament, or specifically regionals. I guess I was just going by the book.
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Post by brendanparochelli on Apr 20, 2009 0:18:50 GMT -5
No offense, but you are kind of showcasing your own lack of understanding. We are not all stupid despite your assertions.
Why do you think we even had regional QUALIFIERS. It was so you could not have a 50 person tournament. You had to QUALIFY your way into the top 32. GenCon used to get more than 50 players in one place at a time. This is where the whole QUALIFYING part mattered.
Highlander probably can't pull those numbers at a GenCon anymore making regionals primarily for seeding now, but the fact you won three games against what could have easily been three new players to win a regional doesn't seem very fair. The remaining three players all might have been veterans with superior decks who would have schooled you.
Stick to your Swiss if you like, but your results don't deserve sanctioning and are definitely suspect.
I would still like to know how you handled loss by head shot with someone using Qs, especially the construction variety, in Swiss.
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Post by prowler7 on Apr 20, 2009 1:00:14 GMT -5
Also, in the "Official H2E Rules" in the "Tournament" section, there is no mention by "The Design Team" that double elimination is the official rules to be used at any tournament, or specifically regionals. I guess I was just going by the book. And you have now been informed that all Regional events are to be held using Double Elimination.
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Post by prowler7 on Apr 20, 2009 1:08:11 GMT -5
The Design Team has done nothing but ignore our views since day one. I will answer this one. Just because YOU say that it is superior does not make it so. Other games may use it and that is fine for them. We are not children who need our hands held and shown how Swiss Format works. Your group has explained it ad nauseum and we have looked over your tournament reports, we have a handle on what you are talking about. We havent ignored you, we just havent bowed to your wishes. The same holds true for PreGame Gathering cards. We arent ignoring you, we just dont agree with you.
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Post by barenakedladies on Apr 20, 2009 2:14:58 GMT -5
I signed back onto the boards just at my buddy Swisherfans request and let me just say holy crap. The forum has really gone full retard. I mean, seriously. You whiney little Highlander internet queers and your double elimination are simply awful. I can quote people all day on this one forum and make you all look like the complete idiots that you are.
Double elimination is the worst format you can do in any card game. Head shot or no. I participated in a tournament at the last Gen Con Indy that was run by Dallis. You all know Dallis here. I was in a tournament with 5 people. After the second round because this tournament was run as a bracketed, double elimination, round robin type, Dallis style non-swiss format, I posed a question to Dallis. I said "Hey, what would happen if guy #1 won against guy #2 and girl #1 won against guy #3?" He then answered, very politley, "then there would be a playoff for first place between you and girl #1" I posed the same questions with just slightly different outcomes from the matches, I said "this would create a 3 way tie for first place, what happens then?" Dallis responded "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it." ....I'm sorry but at any high level event, be it card game, chess, poker, Nascar, MLB, war....there is no "Cross this bridge when we come to it" deal. In Swiss there is ALWAYS a clearly defined winner. One of you said back here "Oh yeah, well if I go undefeated I can still lose because Joe Schmo went 3-1 but took 3 heads" NO have you not been listening you foundling noobie cannon fodder! You compare the records:
I'm 4-0 with 0 heads taken. My differential is 4-0 (+4) Schmo is 3-1 with 3 heads taken. His differential is 3-1 (+6)
The number in the after your record is your TIE BREAKER NUMBER. You look at the record first, if there is no clearly defined winner, you have a tie breaker. Ta da. ALWAYS a CLEAR and DEFINED winner! Jeez.
This kind of nuts really makes me want to quit your game. Oh wait! I did! Because it was terrible. Make some non-white bordered cards and come back to talk to me. Your game is trash.
Later gators.
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Post by Tim Small on Apr 20, 2009 3:09:01 GMT -5
I am always trying to be nice, politically correct and take people at their word...but, wow, your a jackass. That is all I have to say to you about this. This subject should have been closed hours ago, not to mention...you should be banned and your friend too.
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Post by zarth2k on Apr 20, 2009 3:24:18 GMT -5
Wow… just wow… Do we really have enough Highlander 2E players at this point for an argument over tournament styles to be worthwhile? I mean really? Most Regional sound like they are struggling to hit 8 players, and we are going to pregnant dog about the tournament formats and alienate some of the people who do show up? Double elimination is the “Official” format. OK duly noted, and news to me. Personally, I hate double eliminations for LOTS of reasons. I prefer the modified Swiss style utilized by WotC in their Regionals. It guarantees all players significant playtime AND allows for a definitive winner. Up until this point I had be under the impression that the format was up to the discretion of the person hosting the Regional. Now that I know that this isn’t true, I have no interest in being a part of them. No big deal. I don’t enjoy the format so I wont host it or play it. I will still run as many “Unsanctioned” tournaments as I and our players can manage. Personally, I think we need to be thinking more about how to get more people playing and less about what format their playing.
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