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Post by pseudosoldier on Jan 12, 2008 0:18:59 GMT -5
+1 Premiums will not Stack with 2nd Ed Premiums. So you can use the original +1's with a +1/Master Protect, to gain the Master protect, but you still would only gain +1 Ability, as they do not stack. One might wonder why you would use those together, instead of only using the 2E +1/MCBC combo card, which would give the same effect with one less PG slot.
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Post by kevinhardy on Jan 12, 2008 2:33:45 GMT -5
you arent supose to lose a pregame slot, they are an extension of the persona, so you can add what you want?
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Post by Thorr on Jan 12, 2008 11:23:01 GMT -5
you arent supose to lose a pregame slot, they are an extension of the persona, so you can add what you want? Incorrect. Unless the card states otherwise (like a crystal does) it takes up a slot.
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Post by dbaker on Jan 12, 2008 11:44:48 GMT -5
With all the great Pre-Game cards out for both formats, I have a hard time finding a spot for a +1, MCBC or a +1/MCBC. Those 6 Pre-Game slots are precious. Once you get your persona and a WOC, there are only 4 left. A very hard decision to make.
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Post by scottr on Jan 12, 2008 13:12:27 GMT -5
One might wonder why you would use those together, instead of only using the 2E +1/MCBC combo card, which would give the same effect with one less PG slot. Well you wouldn't now :-) Before this ruling, there were different cards, and as Mr. McMurray noted, the purpose would be to start at 17 :-) Probably not overpowering, but depending on the deck I could see both occasionally being used (before the errata from Tim)
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Post by kevinhardy on Jan 13, 2008 0:58:47 GMT -5
well i guess i was wrong, butr i go by thr rule books
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Post by scottr on Jan 13, 2008 3:36:16 GMT -5
I don't recall the rule book being different - like Thorr said, any pregame card counts against the limit, unless it specifically says differently.
That said, pregame limits/allowances/etc seem like a fun thing to manipulate for 'house rules' variation games or tournaments.
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Post by Thorr on Jan 13, 2008 14:20:21 GMT -5
The rule book never states that in any way shape or form. It never says that pregames that are part of your persona do not count toward your pregame limit.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 14, 2008 8:47:48 GMT -5
well i guess i was wrong, butr i go by thr rule books Well, if you are going by the rule books, you might want to include the Handbook and the Addendum, since they apply to 1ed only tournaments. One thing I keep seeing in your random postings here and there, is that when you do ask a question, a lot of times it is in the wrong part of the boards for the format you are discussing. Just like right here it is being discussed if the 2ed pre games can be used in a 1ed environment, and then you make a comment on you using the rulebook and we don't, however it is in the printed rules for the game, whether that be from the Rulebook, Handbook, Addendum, or 2ed Rules Sheet. The point I am trying to influence on EVERYONE is that we have all gotten a little lazy and are posting 1ed stuff in 2ed format or 2ed in 1ed format or more confusingly (especially for new players or die hard 1ed only players) is when arguments or discussions concerning the mixing of 1ed and 2ed stuff is in the 1ed forum. There is a reason for the TYPE ONE forum people. It was created as a bridge between old and new and uses pieces from both to create a whole entity of itself. On these boards, even the administrator saw the validity of keeping things less confusing by separating the 1ed forum from the TYPE ONE forum, so why don't we help them by posting 1ed only subjects in 1ed forum, TYPE ONE subjects in TYPE ONE forum, and obviously the remainder of the boards belong to 2ed and TYPE TWO. So in point Kevinhardy, We don't know what format you are asking about for starters, then even in 1ed only format, the pregame rule you are using is incorrect. Headswillroll
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Post by kevinhardy on Jan 14, 2008 12:00:04 GMT -5
yes , it is 1st ed
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Post by Thorr on Jan 14, 2008 15:25:15 GMT -5
Good, then we are right in saying that you are wrong.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 15, 2008 1:02:46 GMT -5
Now that we know the format you are playing, we can comment accordingly. In "1ed only" format, you are not supposed to use any 2ed product or Raven, only product put out by TCG, so this question is a moot one. Now if you wanted to incorporate 2ed unbugged cards then you will need to change to TYPE ONE format with which there is a seperate forum and it is sanctioned by the current company. As far as the rules go, "1ed only" uses the Rulebook, Handbook 3.1, and the Addendum ( Thorr could give you the web sites if you ask nicely in a full sentence). TYPE ONE uses the Rulebook, Handbook, Addendum, and certain new rules and errata passed down from the company that affect TYPE ONE format. These rules updates can be found in the TYPE ONE forum as well. TYPE TWO format uses, ummmmmmmm, well enough of that subject. So, in reply to your original question in "1ed only" format, you are wrong. So sorry, come again. Headswillroll
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Post by Thorr on Jan 15, 2008 8:37:21 GMT -5
For posterity -
From 1E Arms & Tactics Rulebook entry on Pre-game cards: "Pre-Game cards do not count toward the number of cards in your deck. however, you cannot use more then 6 total pre-Game cards. Such Pre-Game cards include Personas, Weapons of Choice, Watchers, and Premium cards."
(Note: the misspellings are not mine...)
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 15, 2008 9:16:20 GMT -5
LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Headswillroll
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Jan 15, 2008 9:42:06 GMT -5
Guys, do you really need to point out several times each that he's wrong? do you think the first "you're wrong" was unreadable, or is it now a matter of oneupsmanship and seeing who can make hime :more wrong than wrong?"
It's not exactly a good way to welcome new players to the game or posters to the board.
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