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Post by kevinhardy on Jan 10, 2008 1:54:40 GMT -5
if you have 2 +1 pregame cards does it mean you begin the game with 17 ability , instead of 15?
can you mix edition pregame cards, like adding a 2nd ed pregame duncan with a 1st ed duncan adding both abilities and pregame cards?
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Post by nkeates on Jan 10, 2008 7:33:02 GMT -5
You can only have one +1 pregame in play so the max ability you can have at the start of ther game is 16 You could use a 2nd ed pregame in a first edition deck if it doesn't have the symbol on it. So you could use a Grayson +1 in 1ed but not a Duncan +1 for instance. Hope that helps N
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Post by Thorr on Jan 10, 2008 7:38:44 GMT -5
Unfortunately, none of the Premiums in HtG got bugged. This is probably just an oversight, but my understanding was that all the persona premiums except for Ramirez are supposed to be bugged. Even Amergan and A&T (Atrribute Check) aren't bugged.
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Post by scottr on Jan 10, 2008 9:40:43 GMT -5
I have the Rameriz and Connor, both are unbugged, with both the +1 and MCBC.
It seems like many things in this set were intentionally unbugged, and I assume these are examples.
Currently, I see no reason you couldn't use both Connor premiums (+1 1st ed, +1 & MCBC 2nd ed) and start at 17.
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Post by Thorr on Jan 10, 2008 9:56:39 GMT -5
I'll say it again.. Unfortunately, none of the Premiums in HtG got bugged. I am looking at all 13 foils cards right now now and -none- of them have a bug. Premiums and personas for previously extant personas are supposed to be bugged according to Tim and Greg. There are several instances of comments like this one - highlandertcg.proboards81.com/index.cgi?board=df&action=display&thread=1172784959&page=2#1174332272 If the Fasil Premium for 2E is not bugged, then there is no need for the existing +1 and MCBC cards. If you look at S1, you'll see that the only persona premium that isn't bugged is Grayson. That's because Grayson didn't exist in 1E. I don't think that the missing bugs are deliberate, I think they are accidental.
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Post by dbaker on Jan 10, 2008 11:25:06 GMT -5
Zachary is not bugged either. I would think you would be able to use Fasil +1/MCBC because his MCbC was an error card. I think YDK had that problem also. But, I agree with Thorr that only 1 +1 or MCBC card can be used at a time, otherwise the stacking rules would apply(2 cards doing the same thing only 1 effect).
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Jan 10, 2008 11:25:24 GMT -5
If the Fasil Premium for 2E is not bugged, then there is no need for the existing +1 and MCBC cards. The use for the +1 would be "start at 17." On its own I don't think that's a very big deal, considering the Qs and A&Ts you could put in that slot instead. In 1e, a heal / stall deck doesn't need the extra ability, and a deck focused on lockdown, swordfighting, or cheese probably has better things to go there as well (Break Glass, Strat Q, Nef Q, and A&T Head Shot for instance). There wouldn't be a use for the MCBC, but there's hardly been much use for it anyway. It's ability only functions against a tiny subset of cards that most people don't play with, so you're almost always better using something else in that slot. Combininb +1s and MCBCs into a single card was a great step forward in usability IMO. It invalidates one small set of cards, but there have always been cards that don't get played, and even a few (like Duende pt.2 & 3) that can't possibly be played. In short, I don't think there needs to be a blanket erratta bugging the 2e +1s. Being able to use both can be a leg up for new players that don't have a slew of A&Ts or Qs, and isn't of much help to the Mr. Suitcases who do.
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Post by Tim Small on Jan 10, 2008 12:03:15 GMT -5
Yes there was a last minute surge in premiums, and I forgot to bug some.
But one of the new rules is that we are unbugging alot of cards due to them being unavailable for 1st Ed players (Kurgans Master Head Shot, +1 Premiums).
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Post by scottr on Jan 10, 2008 12:25:39 GMT -5
In short, I don't think there needs to be a blanket erratta bugging the 2e +1s. Being able to use both can be a leg up for new players that don't have a slew of A&Ts or Qs, and isn't of much help to the Mr. Suitcases who do. Agreed - currently we have no errata against the new premium, and as they are both definitely different cards, it would seems there is no reason that you couldn't use both the 1e and 2e premiums (in a 1e enviroment) and start at 17.
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Post by prowler7 on Jan 10, 2008 16:46:22 GMT -5
But one of the new rules is that we are unbugging alot of cards due to them being unavailable for Type One players (Kurgans Master Head Shot, +1 Premiums). There, fixed that for you. ;D I think that is an excellent idea, Tim. However, as you can see from the above discussion, we are gonna need an official ruling on whether or not +1 Premiums stack.
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Post by Tim Small on Jan 10, 2008 17:43:13 GMT -5
+1 Premiums will not Stack with 2nd Ed Premiums.
So you can use the original +1's with a +1/Master Protect, to gain the Master protect, but you still would only gain +1 Ability, as they do not stack.
That will go for all Persona Premiums that are currently bugged.
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Post by scottr on Jan 10, 2008 18:03:58 GMT -5
Am I getting this straight?
So the effects of two different cards now fall into the stacking rule, but a pair of 'actually the same card' (1e +1 premiums) for Connor don't?
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Post by Tim Small on Jan 10, 2008 18:06:20 GMT -5
LOL I love missing with ya:
The actual will be the following:
Premiums do not stack.
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Post by scottr on Jan 10, 2008 18:55:06 GMT -5
You should have left your original message as it was, so everyone could see the "joke". Note the very deliberate quotes around joke. :-)
(For future reference, Tim posted that since Connor had two +1 premiums in 1ed, he was the only persona who could start at 17)
So, this ruling directly 'unbugs' all 2e (namely beta) premiums - they are explicitly useable in Type 1, but the +1 aspect will not stack with any other persona premiums that also give a +1?
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Post by kevinhardy on Jan 10, 2008 23:37:13 GMT -5
thanks mr small
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