pregame cards

[kevinhardy]

if you have 2 +1 pregame cards does it mean you begin the game with 17 ability , instead of 15?

can you mix edition pregame cards, like adding a 2nd ed pregame duncan with a 1st ed duncan adding both abilities and pregame cards?

[nkeates]

You can only have one +1 pregame in play so the max ability you can have at the start of ther game is 16

You could use a 2nd ed pregame in a first edition deck if it doesn't have the symbol on it. So you could use a Grayson +1 in 1ed but not a Duncan +1 for instance.

Hope that helps

N

[Thorr]

Unfortunately, none of the Premiums in HtG got bugged. This is probably just an oversight, but my understanding was that all the persona premiums except for Ramirez are supposed to be bugged. Even Amergan and A&T (Atrribute Check) aren't bugged.

[scottr]

I have the Rameriz and Connor, both are unbugged, with both the +1 and MCBC.

It seems like many things in this set were intentionally unbugged, and I assume these are examples.

Currently, I see no reason you couldn't use both Connor premiums (+1 1st ed, +1 & MCBC 2nd ed) and start at 17.

[Thorr]

I'll say it again..

thorr said:

Unfortunately, none of the Premiums in HtG got bugged.

I am looking at all 13 foils cards right now now and -none- of them have a bug.

Premiums and personas for previously extant personas are supposed to be bugged according to Tim and Greg. There are several instances of comments like this one -
highlandertcg.proboards81.com/index.cgi?board=df&action=display&thread=1172784959&page=2#1174332272

If the Fasil Premium for 2E is not bugged, then there is no need for the existing +1 and MCBC cards. If you look at S1, you'll see that the only persona premium that isn't bugged is Grayson. That's because Grayson didn't exist in 1E.

I don't think that the missing bugs are deliberate, I think they are accidental.

[dbaker]

Zachary is not bugged either. I would think you would be able to use Fasil +1/MCBC because his MCbC was an error card. I think YDK had that problem also. But, I agree with Thorr that only 1 +1 or MCBC card can be used at a time, otherwise the stacking rules would apply(2 cards doing the same thing only 1 effect).

[jamesmcmurray]

thorr said:

If the Fasil Premium for 2E is not bugged, then there is no need for the existing +1 and MCBC cards.

The use for the +1 would be "start at 17." On its own I don't think that's a very big deal, considering the Qs and A&Ts you could put in that slot instead. In 1e, a heal / stall deck doesn't need the extra ability, and a deck focused on lockdown, swordfighting, or cheese probably has better things to go there as well (Break Glass, Strat Q, Nef Q, and A&T Head Shot for instance).

There wouldn't be a use for the MCBC, but there's hardly been much use for it anyway. It's ability only functions against a tiny subset of cards that most people don't play with, so you're almost always better using something else in that slot. Combininb +1s and MCBCs into a single card was a great step forward in usability IMO. It invalidates one small set of cards, but there have always been cards that don't get played, and even a few (like Duende pt.2 & 3) that can't possibly be played.

In short, I don't think there needs to be a blanket erratta bugging the 2e +1s. Being able to use both can be a leg up for new players that don't have a slew of A&Ts or Qs, and isn't of much help to the Mr. Suitcases who do.

[Tim Small]

Yes there was a last minute surge in premiums, and I forgot to bug some.

But one of the new rules is that we are unbugging alot of cards due to them being unavailable for 1st Ed players (Kurgans Master Head Shot, +1 Premiums).

[scottr]

jamesmcmurray said:

In short, I don't think there needs to be a blanket erratta bugging the 2e +1s. Being able to use both can be a leg up for new players that don't have a slew of A&Ts or Qs, and isn't of much help to the Mr. Suitcases who do.

Agreed - currently we have no errata against the new premium, and as they are both definitely different cards, it would seems there is no reason that you couldn't use both the 1e and 2e premiums (in a 1e enviroment) and start at 17.

[prowler7]

xiomburg said:

But one of the new rules is that we are unbugging alot of cards due to them being unavailable for Type One players (Kurgans Master Head Shot, +1 Premiums).

There, fixed that for you. ;D

I think that is an excellent idea, Tim. However, as you can see from the above discussion, we are gonna need an official ruling on whether or not +1 Premiums stack.

[Tim Small]

+1 Premiums will not Stack with 2nd Ed Premiums.

So you can use the original +1's with a +1/Master Protect, to gain the Master protect, but you still would only gain +1 Ability, as they do not stack.

That will go for all Persona Premiums that are currently bugged.

[scottr]

Am I getting this straight?

So the effects of two different cards now fall into the stacking rule, but a pair of 'actually the same card' (1e +1 premiums) for Connor don't?

[Tim Small]

LOL I love missing with ya:

The actual will be the following:

Premiums do not stack.

[scottr]

You should have left your original message as it was, so everyone could see the "joke". Note the very deliberate quotes around joke. :-)

(For future reference, Tim posted that since Connor had two +1 premiums in 1ed, he was the only persona who could start at 17)

So, this ruling directly 'unbugs' all 2e (namely beta) premiums - they are explicitly useable in Type 1, but the +1 aspect will not stack with any other persona premiums that also give a +1?

[kevinhardy]

thanks mr small