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Post by kevinhardy on Jan 9, 2008 12:29:49 GMT -5
i like the new rules reagrding the raven and other editions being played together, it works better, nobody is left out
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Post by Daijin on Jan 22, 2008 15:02:43 GMT -5
The thing with Magic the Gathering's gaming formats is that is does seperate the new and old gamers by restricting card from what sets they are printed in and in Standard (once known as Type Two for them), rotate out sets as they get older for the more recent ones, forcing you to buy the newer cards in order to have a legal deck for the format. Also, the Vintage tournaments are rare and highly expensive to enter, so Standard format tournaments are more numerous. I know this since I do play Magic. What I enjoy about Highlander is that the sets aren't segregating players, you're not being punished for coming into the game late or for being a part of it from the beginning. You can easily use the old and new cards together and the game never felt unbalanced to me, and when one aspect of the game did unbalance it, the company who was publishing the game at the tiem actively did print card to rebalance things. Also in terms of the Type Two format for Highlander, as I understand it, it's only used now as a means to have the new cards be introduced and have the limelight to celebrate the game's return, which makes sense. I'm sure once the 2e set is in full swing, most tournaments will be Type 1. But of course, that's all up to whoever will be running their local tournaments.
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Post by Thorr on Jan 22, 2008 16:10:33 GMT -5
No, once 2E is fully in swing, tournaments will primarily be 2E (Type 2). They are the current format and the focus of the company.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 23, 2008 11:42:16 GMT -5
Actually, Thorr, I will have to disagree with that post. It has been stated from Mike Sager himself, that he did not want to support TYPE ONE tournaments, however, in light of keeping the game spirit going and since TYPE ONE does incorporate 2ed cards into it (ie-sales of new product), the company does support that format, and will continue to as far as we have been told. Now I know for sure that "1ed only" is no longer supported by the company in it's present state. I agree with the decision, since new product is being sold to both formats, why not support them both since it keeps a player base consisting of older players and newer ones as well, and lets face it if this game is to stay alive you need the players. Heck, the MIDWEST CHAMPIONSHIPS are going to have three TYPE TWO tourneys and two TYPE ONE tourneys. Headswillroll
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Jan 23, 2008 12:55:58 GMT -5
He didn't say they wouldn't be supported, but Type 2 is definitely the focus of the company.
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Post by Thorr on Jan 23, 2008 13:38:28 GMT -5
Yeah, my comment was that Type 2 is the focus. The comment by dajin was
It may be safe to say that most tournaments will include Type 1 events, but most tournaments will be type 2 primarily. The example you cite shows that as well. 3 t2 events, 2 t1 events.
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Post by Daijin on Jan 23, 2008 14:46:09 GMT -5
Yes I should have said that better; that Highlander tournaments will support both types. True they would be primarily Type 2 to support the new cards, but I'm sure as you've all said, they will hold Type 1 tourneys at the same time, which still won't push apart new and old players because, you'll have both kinds of formats taking place during one tournament, all in one place. The point I was trying to convey was that this is much better than how Magic the Gathering does their tournaments, because, to the best of my knowledge, places that hold Magic tourneys do not hold both formats in the same place, and only really Standard (newer cards only) which in turn cause a split between older and newer players and in my opinion feels like a slap in the face for players how don't have, or no longer which to buy, newer cards. Vintage (all cards allowed) tourneys are never a local thing and are the big commercial tourneys for big prizes and a pricey entrance fee; which isn't my thing because I prefer a lower-key, low-profile and fun environment for a tourney as well as I'd have to travel a long way just to be in a tourney to use my old cards.
I'm happy Highlander doesn't do this and that there will be tourneys that will run both formats so that all players can gather together, new and old, and play which one they choose, but still be one close gaming community for the game they love, without the feeling of seperation. I think if Mike Sager went the route of Magic to competely support one format over the other like that, it would form a rift in the Highlander player community, just as it has done for Magic. So he should continue to support both and allows players to easily have access to participating in either format.
PS: I'm really happy that Highlander is making this comeback. I've loved the game ever since my oldest brother showed it to me when it was new and I was disappointed when it died. So, I'm quite pleased it's rising from the ashes once again.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 24, 2008 6:39:30 GMT -5
I could go and post something really cheesy like: "Of couse it will rise from the ashes, it is immortal and cannot die!!" But I believe I will leave those quotes for others to write. James, Thorr, and Daijin, I was just wanting to clarify the message, so that anyone reading it did not get confused. Headswillroll
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Post by Daijin on Jan 24, 2008 9:23:54 GMT -5
Don't worry! My last post wasn't in response to yours or an attack by any means. I completely understood your clarificartion, and thank you for it! It was just an expression of my feelings of why I love the HighlanderTCG tourney atmosphere over that of Magic and expressing my hope that LM doesn't go the route that Wizards of the Coast has done in terms of their tourneys which has literally split the player base. I enjoy how LM is handling Highlanders return because it isn't alienating the older players who have enjoyed the game since the beginning and has been awaiting for this game to come back.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 27, 2008 8:36:34 GMT -5
Don't worry! My last post wasn't in response to yours or an attack by any means. I completely understood your clarificartion, and thank you for it! It was just an expression of my feelings of why I love the HighlanderTCG tourney atmosphere over that of Magic and expressing my hope that LM doesn't go the route that Wizards of the Coast has done in terms of their tourneys which has literally split the player base. I enjoy how LM is handling Highlanders return because it isn't alienating the older players who have enjoyed the game since the beginning and has been awaiting for this game to come back. I am with you there. Headswillroll
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Post by thomaskolter on Feb 17, 2008 18:49:05 GMT -5
The only thing I would like to see were the Generic Immortals (the ones with special abilities) would be allowed in 2e tournaments. I don't see the harm the basic GE would still be the same rules for the deck design save they would have special focuses. My favorite is the "mini Richie card" that could sub in a reserved card for a master card and could have up to three.
Does something like that sound overpowered?
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Post by Thorr on Feb 17, 2008 19:02:52 GMT -5
You can't really use old personas in a 2E rules environment because they don't have Attribute assignments... If you were playing a type 1 tourney then you'd be fine.
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Post by prowler7 on Feb 17, 2008 19:28:34 GMT -5
The only thing I would like to see were the Generic Immortals (the ones with special abilities) would be allowed in 2e tournaments. You arent the only one pushing for this, but I can tell you now the design team (Tim, Brent, Greg) have said that there will NOT be generic immortals in 2ed. They feel that the number of immortals they are producing in each set more than makes up for the diversity inherent in generic immortals.
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Post by scottr on Feb 17, 2008 20:56:38 GMT -5
The only thing I would like to see were the Generic Immortals (the ones with special abilities) would be allowed in 2e tournaments. You arent the only one pushing for this, but I can tell you now the design team (Tim, Brent, Greg) have said that there will NOT be generic immortals in 2ed. They feel that the number of immortals they are producing in each set more than makes up for the diversity inherent in generic immortals. At first I didn't see their reasoning, but now that we've seen the number of personas discussed for season 2, and the idea of that number of new personas in each future block... now I am more worried about having too many personas out there to choose from :-)
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Post by thomaskolter on Feb 17, 2008 21:00:24 GMT -5
Ummmm Generic Immortals would they would have the same assignments as any other Generic Immortal as if you weren't using any such card. Just you would have some minor special abilities added in depending on the type.
As for the design team the way they set up the game getting a viable Persona Deck without spending a fortune is unlikely. Its not like I can go to the store and buy a Duncan Deck built around a combat theme or an Amanda deck around her seductive skills with fixed cards.
I mean they are pretty much violating the common approach of deck designs a fixed theme deck wouldn't generic immortals be perfect for these. A new player could get a solid 50 card deck with a theme like Fencing Master who would have a Generic Immortal with a special ability like the ie one that adds 1 to the upper limit on a card by one of a WoC card. Then if later they get a Persona that is major they could add his or her cards making a better weapon master deck perhaps.
Hell every later game seems to go this route Magic, Yugioh, Pokemon and others and still had the randomization of decks with collecting.
Anyway we are the customers if we want a Generic Immortal selection why not just do it they don't have to be great it seems Personas still will have the advantage, so would uncommon cards be so bad to get. It would at least give us some options for those of us on a budget.
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