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Post by nkeates on Aug 2, 2018 4:36:13 GMT -5
New York 1897
Players may not play defences from their hand
Every now and again a new card is produced that shakes up the game ...and I think this is one of them. It has a toughness gem and is a location restricted to 3. (If the card is as printed on the weebly site it will need an errata as it is a location and has the object icon).
Mike has stated that he wants more heads taken and wow does this card oblige. Now before the nay Sayers say the card is broken it most certainly isn't as there are loads of counters to it but if you are not prepared you could be in for a nasty surprise.
So who benefits ..well the location controllers Mako and Kiem Sun for starters. They can keep the location in play much better than anyone else. They will be prepared for it with plenty of recons and versus cards etc and can keep plugging away.
Multi attackers love this loc. Jin Ke and Rebecca spring to mind. They just need to ensure that dodges won't avoid multiple attacks ...flashing blade, Annie Q etc. and you have a whole heap of pain coming at you.
Certain immortals are immune to its effects .. Coltec will just exert from hand so a great location for him.
Silas and Malick also benefit as they both have cards that stop your opponent from exerting. Add this to the Scythe for a headshot that you can't defend from your hand or exert for. As both Silas' challenge and Malick's intimidate are reserved then They can be "Dariused" into any deck (Maybe it is time to think about signaturing these 2 cards???)
Certain WoC look good with this too. Scythe as already mentioned and Mongolian Broadsword look good. All out assault in New York looks lethal.
Sooo what to do? Versus/ recon look essential toolbox now. As long term readers of my posts will know concentration is my favourite card ...but Bait and Switch MAY be taking over from it. I think making a deck without it could be a headless decision. Stand off looks really good too to stop any Scythe shenanigans.
On a side note I really like the Raven set as it introduces some generic cards to the pool. I hope that this is a sign of things to come and that future versus sets will contain some generic cards.
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Post by clique84 on Aug 2, 2018 9:52:44 GMT -5
New York 1897 Players may not play defences from their hand Every now and again a new card is produced that shakes up the game ...and I think this is one of them. It has a toughness gem and is a location restricted to 3. (If the card is as printed on the weebly site it will need an errata as it is a location and has the object icon). Mike has stated that he wants more heads taken and wow does this card oblige. Now before the nay Sayers say the card is broken it most certainly isn't as there are loads of counters to it but if you are not prepared you could be in for a nasty surprise. So who benefits ..well the location controllers Mako and Kiem Sun for starters. They can keep the location in play much better than anyone else. They will be prepared for it with plenty of recons and versus cards etc and can keep plugging away. Multi attackers love this loc. Jin Ke and Rebecca spring to mind. They just need to ensure that dodges won't avoid multiple attacks ...flashing blade, Annie Q etc. and you have a whole heap of pain coming at you. Certain immortals are immune to its effects .. Coltec will just exert from hand so a great location for him. Silas and Malick also benefit as they both have cards that stop your opponent from exerting. Add this to the Scythe for a headshot that you can't defend from your hand or exert for. As both Silas' challenge and Malick's intimidate are reserved then They can be "Dariused" into any deck (Maybe it is time to think about signaturing these 2 cards???) Certain WoC look good with this too. Scythe as already mentioned and Mongolian Broadsword look good. All out assault in New York looks lethal. Sooo what to do? Versus/ recon look essential toolbox now. As long term readers of my posts will know concentration is my favourite card ...but Bait and Switch MAY be taking over from it. I think making a deck without it could be a headless decision. Stand off looks really good too to stop any Scythe shenanigans. On a side note I really like the Raven set as it introduces some generic cards to the pool. I hope that this is a sign of things to come and that future versus sets will contain some generic cards. Cards like this are why I run no less than 5 Vs. in any deck. Also brings to mind the olden days when locations were super powerful and you had to have not only recons but also your own location to play (who remembers the days of Catwalk, Battlefield, and Slaughterhouse?) |
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 2, 2018 11:00:56 GMT -5
If you let your opponent control the field of battle, you are leaving yourself wide open. There are complaints the game isn’t deadly enough, I’ve aimed to rectify that
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Post by clique84 on Aug 2, 2018 13:31:20 GMT -5
If you let your opponent control the field of battle, you are leaving yourself wide open. There are complaints the game isn’t deadly enough, I’ve aimed to rectify that It worked! |
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 2, 2018 13:45:59 GMT -5
If you let your opponent control the field of battle, you are leaving yourself wide open. There are complaints the game isn’t deadly enough, I’ve aimed to rectify that It worked! I aim to please. There IS an errata coming after GenCon, so before anybody gets too excited over broken combos, wait a week and let’s see |
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Post by ultra on Aug 3, 2018 15:20:28 GMT -5
Initial impression... Dont see why need errata.
A location bumps any location already. And then all the tool box on top. This is a balanced card. It's effect can be drastic but goes both ways.
Then Cane sword totally beats it?
So many ways around.
I like it nonetheless.
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 3, 2018 18:00:10 GMT -5
THIS card isn’t getting errata, except to fix the icon mixup. It’s fine, there are other cards that are now overpowered that will get an errata
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Post by ultra on Aug 3, 2018 18:07:20 GMT -5
Oh. Thought you meant this card. Great. Great card. Kinda like the EDIT: Alt Kurgan (not 2HBS) but not.
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Post by zogfhyr on Aug 4, 2018 22:31:47 GMT -5
Amazing card. A real reminder to have location control.
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Post by kurganfan on Aug 5, 2018 1:07:03 GMT -5
Bait and Switch may become the new Alertness. Now where'd I put that Coltec deck?
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Post by ultra on Aug 5, 2018 22:37:54 GMT -5
Wait.... Reading Bait n Switch... It wont work on your own location but on the one your opponent plays?
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 6, 2018 5:14:38 GMT -5
Wait.... Reading Bait n Switch... It wont work on your own location but on the one your opponent plays? Bait and Switch wont work on your OWN Location |
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Post by belariasdartagne on Dec 13, 2018 16:34:33 GMT -5
Edit ignore this I misread:
I would disagree with you prowler7, the following is the wording on various Bait and Switch:
"If your opponent has a card in play that prevents you from playing a defense from your hand, you may now play defenses normally this turn."
"Play during your May Do / Must Do Phase. You may nullify any effects in play by your opponent that would prevent you from playing any type of defense from your hand (this does not include attacks that cannot be blocked and / or dodged)."
"Play in conjunction with a defense. you may ignore any effect in play by your opponent which would prevent or restrict you from playing that defense."
If you control the location and your opponent has no other effects preventing you from playing a defense from your hand, this wouldn't apply.
Now there is one from the "3rd Edition" Generic Chronicles version 1 (currently out of print) that states, which would work:
"Play in conjunction with a Defense. Nullify any Restriction Effects which would prevent you from playing that Defense."
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Post by zogfhyr on Dec 13, 2018 18:47:27 GMT -5
Sorry belariasdartagne Prowler is correct. The 3rd ed Bait and Switch (G01-008) has errata stating: Play in conjunction with a defense. Nullify any Restriction effects your opponent has in play which would prevent you from playing that defense.
Bait and Switch is very specific in how it works.
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Post by ultra on Dec 18, 2018 0:13:32 GMT -5
i wanted to add ... i thought the idea about locations was that no one "controls" the location.
it is just the "location" upon which you are fighting now.
[hence the damage from Battlefield (if given) was not damage from your opponent. - but this may be faulty thinking]
i prefer locations to have no "ownership". it's like the backdrop to the movie.
scenery and such constantly changing ... characters are running to and fro.
(blah blah blah...).
And playing a location to bump another location should not be a "removal" effect.
This would dispense with the use of Bait n Switch altogether.
or if you wanted this card to be more effective, just allow it to be used generically.
not just based on opponent's effects. (i hate using errata tho - puts off new players).
you may have to just create "new" Bait n Switch.
2 cents.
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