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Post by headswillroll on Nov 20, 2008 11:53:03 GMT -5
As everyone is aware by now, Prowler and I are redoing the Type Two rulebook and hope to have it out soon. With the help of the players, we view the Type One rulebook with success, as does the company. We are most of the way through to completing the document. However, we would like to ask if any of the players have any major issues or questions that have not already been discussed over this web site, since we have already gone through the daunting task of going through all of the posts concerning Type Two? If so please let us know so that we can take these into consideration and get the research done to address the issue if need be.
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Post by scottr on Nov 20, 2008 16:11:20 GMT -5
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Post by prowler7 on Nov 20, 2008 17:18:44 GMT -5
Looking at thread and double checking what was agreed upon by all Design Team members, the version of that entry in the current Type One Rulebook is correct for Type One. However, be aware that as of today there is a different version of the Rulebook uploaded. The Type Two Rulebook is current being worked on and no promises are being made as to what carries over from one rulebook to the other, but be aware that we are making every effort to create continuity between the rulebooks as much as possible. |
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Post by scottr on Nov 20, 2008 18:59:30 GMT -5
That entry didn't appear to change, and given that what is currently in the T1 rulebook was specifically corrected by the design team in that thread, I don't think your reply addresses the question.
Side question: why isn't there any version information (numeric, or at least date) on the T1 rulebook?
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Post by prowler7 on Nov 20, 2008 19:27:51 GMT -5
That entry didn't appear to change You are correct. That entry had already been brought into line with what had been decided. I refer to replies #3 and #4 in the thread you listed. There is no version info because this is the first, any additional versions will have a numbering system, most likely dependent upon when they are released. |
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Post by scottr on Nov 20, 2008 20:45:46 GMT -5
It seems you have misunderstood reply #3 - '6 currently in play' is the key, the ones in the discard don't count (which is what is incorrect about the rulebook entry).
Versioning wise, I would suggest adding a baseline as soon as possible - the absence of a version baseline can only cause confusion in the future.
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Post by prowler7 on Nov 20, 2008 21:32:00 GMT -5
It seems you have misunderstood reply #3 - '6 currently in play' is the key, the ones in the discard don't count (which is what is incorrect about the rulebook entry). Versioning wise, I would suggest adding a baseline as soon as possible - the absence of a version baseline can only cause confusion in the future. Actually the ones in the discard ARE valid. With all the various and sundry ways to grab cards back from the discard, it does have bearing on Masters Advantage in this case. In fact, this ruling follows the Ritchie Ryan ruling, using reshuffling your Endurance and Discard as the "reset". With the Type Two Rulebook there will most likely be a version number as there is already a rulebook, with the upcoming one being an broadening of its scope. |
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Post by scottr on Nov 21, 2008 11:16:01 GMT -5
I guess that goes back to my original question - a design team member said the cards in the discard aren't valid, quite directly, in that thread. This rulebook entry was a change from the direct type 1 ruling by the design team.
I disagree that it matches the Richie scenario - this question is all about whether cards in the discard count against you, whether you need a reset. To make the scenario like that of Richie, I would think you'd have to start counting the number of instances of a given plot in play once Master's Advantage is played, and require a 'reset' for that plot once the normal limit is hit.
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Post by prowler7 on Nov 21, 2008 13:28:13 GMT -5
I guess that goes back to my original question - a design team member said the cards in the discard aren't valid, quite directly, in that thread. This rulebook entry was a change from the direct type 1 ruling by the design team. At that time, yes. However the current ruling was made by the current Design Team. The ruling you are referring to was made a year ago, and in the interim cards have been released and will BE released that have necessitated the change. With the ever-changing nature of this game, sometimes rules HAVE to change to keep balance. |
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 21, 2008 15:54:39 GMT -5
We appreciate your concern over this matter, however it has already been addressed in the Type One rulebook and will most likely carry over into the Type Two rulebook. This was agreed on by the design team during the final proof reading of the Type One Rulebook, all four of us. It was made this way for as Prowler pointed out, balance of the game now and in the immediate future. When the Type Two rulebook is released, it will supersede all rulings prior, just like the Type One rulebook will on the 23rd. If for any reason we need to address this rule in the future due to imbalance, we will address that issue as we have all of the other players concerns, by using our "for the betterment of the game" stance. Thanks again for your question.  |
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 24, 2008 10:48:28 GMT -5
So, is there any other issues anyone wants to suggest to us or are you waiting in the bushes until we release it and then you will all pounce?  |
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Post by headswillroll on Dec 12, 2008 9:33:27 GMT -5
Well, there has been a hitch in our giddy up concerning the Type Two Rulebook and the Type One Update (for SFV). I went into the ER last Wed night and into surgery with a ruptured appendix and was just released from the hospital a couple of days ago and so am now on the mend. Steve messed up his ankle last Thursday morning at work and is now on the mend. We were hoping to have the Rulebook out by now, but alas, it will take a little more time, especially considering some text changes we were not made aware of, not to mention our ailments. We will get it out as soon as possible, that is the best I can say at this time. The Type Two Rulebook will be released before the Type One Update is.
HWR
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Post by ImmortalJedi on Dec 12, 2008 16:16:31 GMT -5
Well, there has been a hitch in our giddy up concerning the Type Two Rulebook and the Type One Update (for SFV). I went into the ER last Wed night and into surgery with a ruptured appendix and was just released from the hospital a couple of days ago and so am now on the mend. Steve messed up his ankle last Thursday morning at work and is now on the mend. We were hoping to have the Rulebook out by now, but alas, it will take a little more time, especially considering some text changes we were not made aware of, not to mention our ailments. We will get it out as soon as possible, that is the best I can say at this time. The Type Two Rulebook will be released before the Type One Update is. HWR No worries...take care of yourself and feel better! Life takes precedence over gaming. Be well... Charley |
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Post by headswillroll on Dec 13, 2008 8:32:54 GMT -5
Thanks Charley,
My biggest goal right now is building back my endurance, so I can get back to work, as well as get this rulebook done. Thanks for the support. I have learned new insane measures of pain through this and wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Jim
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