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Post by prowler7 on Jun 1, 2008 9:11:38 GMT -5
They did indeed count toward your title restriction. It went along with the fact that pre-game cards are considered to be in play. Thank you, I didnt think that HWR and I were insane.
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Post by headswillroll on Jun 1, 2008 9:59:09 GMT -5
Isn't it amazing how many different subjects are hinging on this pregame "in play" or "not in play" decision.
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Post by dbaker on Jun 1, 2008 11:57:07 GMT -5
I thought that if you have a Pre-Game Darius, you could only have 5 in-game Darius because you could only have 6 associated with your deck.
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Post by greg on Jun 1, 2008 17:03:06 GMT -5
You may have 6 in game darius, and still use pre game Darius cards. Pre Games do not count towards your limit of 6.
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Post by headswillroll on Jun 1, 2008 21:47:35 GMT -5
This is something new Dallis. Prowler and I are just getting the details so that we understand this correctly.
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Post by greg on Jun 2, 2008 0:16:03 GMT -5
And yet again, another problem Highlander had. Because this isnt new. Its the way it was ruled in the KC area at least for the Battlezone tournaments back when Highlander was quite successful. Also the way it was ruled at more then one Regional championship I played in. Thats always been one of the problems Highlander had... rule calls being made different in different areas. =/
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Post by Thorr on Jun 2, 2008 6:59:07 GMT -5
This one is an easy leap of logic to make, though. Here is the handbook entry -
Title - A card's Title is found in large print at the top of the front of the card, in the top-left corner of the Title Box, above any sub-title that card may have. This includes In-Game and Pre-Game cards.
The definition of Title includes Pre-game cards. So, when someone says 'you can't have more than 6 of any title in your deck", then it's a simple assumption that it means pre-game cards too. (this is where the whole "in your deck" vs "associated with your deck" thing becomes important...) The best way to avoid this is clearly delineate different rules for pre-game cards and your Endurance.
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Post by nkeates on Jun 2, 2008 7:27:05 GMT -5
This is definitely a rule change that is not borne out by the handbook.
From the handbook
Deck Construction - The following guidelines must be used when building your Highlander deck:
You may only have 6 cards with the same Title included in or associated with your deck.
associate - Any Pre-Game cards that you use with your Deck are associated with your Deck. You are allowed to associate up to 6 Pre-Game cards with your Deck. Example: Player A is playing with the Amanda Persona, Arms and Tactics: Break Glass, Darius: Pre-Game, and James Horton: Watcher Pre-Game. These cards are all associated with Player A's Deck.
Therefore Pre - game Darius still has the title Darius and so you should only be able to have 5 in game Darius in your deck.
If this is a rule change that's fine but it is definitely a rule change.
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Post by Thorr on Jun 2, 2008 7:29:16 GMT -5
Thanks Nige. I was looking for that entry and when I couldn't immediately find it, I figured I was making an assumption. Glad to know I wasn't.
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Post by dcapotate on Jun 4, 2008 17:19:31 GMT -5
Interesting what a simple question can lead unto. My memory of tournament callings in the Kansas City area and in regionals and nationals are that all Darius titled cards count towards the limit of six. My memory also recalls the surprise of showing up at later tournaments to find the call had changed. It may have been the poor communication between TCG and all reps that did not have a computer, which delayed updates and led to the rule that the tournament director - after listening to arguments from players - did what he or she thought best and legal according to his own best understanding and last communication. I was backed up on rulings usually even if I called things wrong except at Nationals and World, where Mike Sager or another company authority stepped in. So I accept Greg's ruling because he i one of the final authorities and they have to be right even if not always correct.
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