Some card questions. . .

[erikmodi]

Okay, here's a few queries I put forth.

Does Block and Strike count as a Defense, a Special Attack, or both while it is in your hand? For instance, can Cassandra discard Block and Strikes for her Persona Power, and would an opponent's Block and Strikes be included in the defenses her opponent must randomly discard? Oh, something else that just occurred to me. . . since Block and Strike is considered your first attack that turn, but you didn't actually PLAY an attack, can you automatically play an attack from your hand, in addition to Block and Strike? Probably not, I'd think, but. . .

Relating to the above, does Neferitiri's discard-to-Endurance ability work on elective discards? If, for example, Cassandra had a Nef Down Q, could she discard three defenses to the top of her Endurance and force her opponent to discard three cards? My instinct is no, as Nef's ability is phrased "when you are FORCED to discard," and Cassandra's ability says "you MAY discard." It would seem to me that Nef's ability only kicks in when a card or effect forces her to discard cards from her hand, not when she elects to do so.

Kronos/Caspian Trip: The Kronos and Caspian Trips say that your next successful attack does an additional point of damage. Not next that turn, next ever. So, several rounds could pass before another successful attack is made. Do these trips stack? If Kronos plays a Trip on turn A, a Trip on Turn B, and a Trip on Turn C, does his successful attack on Turn X do three additional damage? If they don't stack because of same card stuff, would a Trip: Kronos and Trip: Caspian stack? Could Richie play Trip: Kronos on Turn A, Trip: Caspian on Turn B, and a successful attack on Turn C and get two extra damage? Or could he play Trip: Kronos Turn A, Trip: Caspian on Turn B, and Trip: Annie Devlin and a successful attack on Turn C and do three additional damage?

[Thorr]

1) They are defenses and attacks, so you can discard them as defenses. And no, you cannot automatically play another attack.

2) Nef Down requires you to be Forced to discard.

3) No, the 'next attack' is for that turn only.

[headswillroll]

You really need to read the Handbook and Addendum. Hopefully Thorr can post those links again so you guys can get up to speed with the rest of us. As far as I recall:

Yes, Block and Strike is considered a Block and a Special Attack, just like Dodge and Strike is considered a Dodge and a Special Attack. So if your opponent forces you to discard blocks or attacks from your hand then Block and Strike goes bye-bye depending on the effect you are hit with.

Nefertiri's ability has been errataed for over ten years. It is:

Nefertiri [SE] - Nefertiri - PERSONA
During your turn, you may draw back up to your Ability if you have fewer cards in your Hand than your Ability. When you discard from your Hand, you may place some or all of those cards on top of your Endurance. You may include up to five Master cards.

By the text, you are correct on the Trip question. Those were made during a time when the cards that each immortal had were getting different text to make them more playable. Considering that there are other Trips that do specify the successful attack that turn, and these don't, and what the company was doing at the time, I would say it is intentional. Thorr, care to comment on this one?

[Thorr]

Right, Nef persona was altered, but the Q isn't.

And from the handbook -
Next Attack - If a card or effect refers to your next Attack, it refers to the next Attack that you play that turn.

[headswillroll]

Thank you on the Trip clarification, I wasn't sure and was going off of what was happening at that time with the company, and the text.

[erikmodi]

Okay, that makes more sense. Rather annoying to have fix or six or ten turns go by without a successful attack, then try and remember exactly how many Kronos trips got played in all that time.

thorr said:

Right, Nef persona was altered, but the Q isn't.

And from the handbook -
Next Attack - If a card or effect refers to your next Attack, it refers to the next Attack that you play that turn.

So, if a Persona Power is errata'd but the associated Q isn't, that Q no longer duplicates the power of another Persona, and so wouldn't trigger a Watcher's Database?

Sorry, but these are the kinds of things my group think about, even if we don't actually exploit them.

I've looked at the Handbook. . . have a printoout in a binder somewhere. . . but I don't recall those questions being answered exactly within. Haven't printed out the Addendum yet.

[headswillroll]

That is a very good point, however, it has always been considered a Nefertiri Q, so I think it would apply to Database. You do know that the last updated version for the Handbook is 3.1 ? When we started playing again there were some of us that had different versions, so had to find the newest one and that is what we go by.

[erikmodi]

I'll check and make sure I have the latest.

Another question. . . Amanda's Left/Right Side Steps state that her next attack must be to the left/right side. If an attack covers multiple grid squares, and one of those is a left/right side grid, does that attack count as being to the left/right side? For instance, if I play Amanda's Left Side Step, could I then play Slash (ML/MC/MR)?

[jamesmcmurray]

Yep. If an attack covers at least one grid in the area, it's considered an attack to that area. The / and \ slashes are upper, middle, lower, left, right, and center attacks.