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Post by dbaker on Nov 16, 2007 16:48:13 GMT -5
If I want to tear my RIP card on Bassett & Hoskiss, Do I wait untill my opponent discards his attacks or right when he plays the card or dose my opponent have to discard the attacks right when he plays Bassett & Hoskiss?
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Post by rplantau on Nov 16, 2007 16:53:30 GMT -5
If I want to tear my RIP card on Bassett & Hoskiss, Do I wait untill my opponent discards his attacks or right when he plays the card or dose my opponent have to discard the attacks right when he plays Bassett & Hoskiss? I wouldn't want to be kissed by either of these  |
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Post by Thorr on Nov 16, 2007 17:14:57 GMT -5
The card will have no effect until he pays the cost for B&H. SO you can wait until he discards his attacks before you RIP.
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 19, 2007 8:50:15 GMT -5
However, the way they used to get around that was to ask if your opponent wanted to rip right after playing the card, they say no then get pummeled because they already declared thier intent. I do believe you should have the option since the discarding is part of the action of playing that card, and until the action is complete the opponent should not have to waste his rip. I think the same should apply to the 1ed Kirk Matunas, and am glad to see that they at least tried to fix the 2ed version.  Headswillroll |
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 25, 2007 7:48:24 GMT -5
Well, agree or disagree? Headswillroll |
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Nov 25, 2007 14:16:04 GMT -5
Disagree
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Post by Tim Small on Nov 26, 2007 17:29:02 GMT -5
They would have to discard cards first for it to have any effect. You do not have to rip until after they discard the cards. This is due to the effect of the card, you must complete that or it has no effect.
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Post by dbaker on Nov 26, 2007 18:17:44 GMT -5
Thanks Tim, glad to see that you are still alive and kickin'
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 27, 2007 13:16:37 GMT -5
They would have to discard cards first for it to have any effect. You do not have to rip until after they discard the cards. This is due to the effect of the card, you must complete that or it has no effect. Are you refering to both Basset and Hotchkiss and Kirk Matunas? Headswillroll |
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Post by Tim Small on Nov 27, 2007 13:37:53 GMT -5
Both.
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 27, 2007 13:46:01 GMT -5
Then this will be as well implimented into the TYPE ONE format so that the players are aware and understand. Headswillroll |
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Post by pseudosoldier on Dec 8, 2007 21:56:45 GMT -5
However, the way they used to get around that was to ask if your opponent wanted to rip right after playing the card, they say no then get pummeled because they already declared thier intent. I do believe you should have the option since the discarding is part of the action of playing that card, and until the action is complete the opponent should not have to waste his rip. I think the same should apply to the 1ed Kirk Matunas, and am glad to see that they at least tried to fix the 2ed version. I think if someone tried this and then tried to make the "No, I won't rip" answer stick, then the judge/tournament official should rule that the B&H player passed up his chance to discard. I know this isn't Magic, but "passing priority" does have some relevance, right? |
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Post by DNecaise on Feb 25, 2008 12:59:10 GMT -5
However, the way they used to get around that was to ask if your opponent wanted to rip right after playing the card, they say no then get pummeled because they already declared thier intent. I do believe you should have the option since the discarding is part of the action of playing that card, and until the action is complete the opponent should not have to waste his rip. I think the same should apply to the 1ed Kirk Matunas, and am glad to see that they at least tried to fix the 2ed version. I think if someone tried this and then tried to make the "No, I won't rip" answer stick, then the judge/tournament official should rule that the B&H player passed up his chance to discard. I know this isn't Magic, but "passing priority" does have some relevance, right? I wouldn't think so. Discarding the cards is a cost of playing the B&H so you would have to discard the cards for effect. Otherwise when your opponent plays the B&H depending on if you decide to rip or not- will determine how many attacks he would discard. Seems really unfair. Player 1- Plays B&H. Asks opponent if he wants to play his rip. Player 2- if he decides not to play his rip then player 1 will play the B&H and dump all of his attacks. If player 2 says yes- player1 would simply hold onto the attacks. A little unfair to me-but what do I know.  And I hate all the comparisons to Magic (no offense). This isn't Magic and those rules don't apply here. Thank God.  |
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Post by Tim Small on Feb 25, 2008 16:21:53 GMT -5
It's a matter of effect here.
When a player plays a card, his opponent must wait for them to finalize the effects before they "can" rip.
This means that an opponent may rip before the cost is payed "if" the player playing the card asks them if they want to rip.
So with this information:
1. You may use your rip card after an opponent pays cost.
2. You cannot rip before cost is payed.
An example of this is above.
A more complecated one is: Nef's Desperation:
You can rip Nef's Desperation before she draws, as that is a benefit, her discarding is the cost for the benefit.
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