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Post by dbaker on Nov 15, 2007 18:31:58 GMT -5
Will Discipline-Edge(Play this card at the beginning of your turn. For the remainder of your turn, you may ignore the effects of all Special cards your opponent has in play which prevent you from playing any Attacks) allow you to attack your opponent if he has Ped-Hidden or Close Quarters?
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zarth2k
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Post by zarth2k on Nov 16, 2007 6:46:10 GMT -5
I would say no. Close Quarters and Ped-Hidden are only limiting the kinds of attacks you can play. They are not however stopping you from playing attacks. Though of course, the cards in your hand may indeed be unplayable.
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Post by Thorr on Nov 16, 2007 8:11:26 GMT -5
I would say that this is not the same as the Break Glass ceiling (the type of scenario that Zarth is talking about).
The handbook considers Master's Advance to be prevention. This is a similar type of prevention. In fact, from the handbook- Example5: Pedestrian (Hidden Attack) is in play, which states that you may only play Hidden Attacks. This prevents you from playing Attacks that are not Hidden.
I would say that the wording of discipline is loose enough to allow you to ignore Ped Hidden and Close Quarters. I say that because Discipline says "ANY attack" vice "AN Attack" that it works for this situation. (If it said 'AN Attack' then it would only work if you couldn't play attacks at all.)
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Post by xavier on Nov 16, 2007 9:29:46 GMT -5
I don't know...
I agree with Thor for Close quarter. Close quarter keep you from playing a certain kind of attack. As Discipline says "any attack", I would say you can use discipline to play middle attack.
For Ped Hidden, I not so sure. It doesn't actually keep you from plaing an attack. You can play them, they just need to be hidden.
I'm not sure...
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Post by victorkruger on Nov 16, 2007 12:05:45 GMT -5
What cards are out there (been a while since I played much 1E) that prevent you from playing 'any attacks'. You can shove me so I can only play ranged, kick me so I lose an attack, etc... but what says I cannot play ANY ATTACKS?
If there aren't it seems like it must be saying that it lets you ignore anything that hinders your ability to play attacks in any way. Then again 1E wording was legendarily great!
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Nov 16, 2007 15:48:30 GMT -5
The generic Safe Haven situation prevents your opponent from playing any attacks. It was a promo, so I don't know which was printed first. But it seems highly unlikely that they put a card in The Gathering base set which was intended to only work against a single promo card you could only get by buying the third season of VCR tapes from the Highlander Store.
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Post by zarth2k on Nov 18, 2007 3:06:31 GMT -5
OK, so do we have a definitive ruling on this?
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Nov 18, 2007 22:12:00 GMT -5
It affects both conditional and complete prevention.
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Post by Tim Small on Nov 26, 2007 17:45:16 GMT -5
It would allow you to attack if they have a Ped: Hidden in play. The reason is that it prevents Special Attacks from being played, as they cannot be played hidden.
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Post by zarth2k on Nov 27, 2007 1:47:55 GMT -5
Thanks Much for the ruling!
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 27, 2007 13:12:47 GMT -5
It would allow you to attack if they have a Ped: Hidden in play. The reason is that it prevents Special Attacks from being played, as they cannot be played hidden. Wow, you are just out and about lately. ;D Headswillroll
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