kaiser
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Post by kaiser on Sept 20, 2007 17:07:02 GMT -5
Yeah, it makes a certain of Highlander sense.
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 20, 2007 18:52:06 GMT -5
The Scythe has to use it. Or at least, if it doesn't there's no point in putting "Middle and Thrust," since Thrust is already a middle attack. Scythe shows that it predates the rule (although it was playtested after the rule came into affect if memory serves), since they had to spell out what cards it affects. Nowadays they would simply say "any middle attack". The problem with that time period is that it was in flux and some cards had the text still and others didnt as they were newer creations.
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 20, 2007 18:55:52 GMT -5
Looking at these cards, its easy to see how different Arms & Tactics would have been had these cards seen print.
Also, can you imagine what Paul Kinman would have been like had it NOT been for Sean Cordero changing his cards? (here is a hint, he wasnt so centered on the guns).
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Post by Thorr on Sept 20, 2007 19:42:55 GMT -5
Ok, but for the record, the Upper Case rule NO LONGER EXISTS.. Lets NOT have this argument again...
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 20, 2007 20:39:12 GMT -5
Ok, but for the record, the Upper Case rule NO LONGER EXISTS.. Lets NOT have this argument again... It no longer exists? Where was this stated? So now only attacks with "Upper" in thier name can be made Head Shots using the "Head Shot" card?
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Post by Thorr on Sept 21, 2007 7:57:52 GMT -5
Case NO LONGER MATTERS. We have done this arguement on this very forum once before. Here is the Handbook entry - Attacks to Specific Areas - When referring to groups of Attacks by area, such as Upper Attacks and Lower Attacks, any Attack that includes at least one Grid square in that area is considered to be that type of Attack. Example: The Weapon Specific card Slice: Rapier contains the Grid areas Upper Left (or Upper Right) and Middle Center. It is considered to be an Upper Attack, a Right Attack, a Middle Attack, and a Center Attack. Head Shot [all editions] - [Generic] - EVENT You may only play this card in conjunction with an Upper Attack. That Attack is a Head Shot. and finally.. Head Shot - A Head Shot must be an Upper Attack. When an Attack becomes a Head Shot, it also becomes a Power Blow. If a player is unable to defend against or otherwise avoid the Head Shot, that player loses their Head and the game. Any Quickenings that player was using must be given to their opponent as stated on the Quickening card. If a player Blocks a Head Shot but does not Power Block, he does not lose his head, even though the Attack was successful. For an attack to qualify as capable of being a head shot, it needs only the following - 1) The attack grid must include at least 1 grid in the Upper row (i.e. - be an Upper attack) 2) The attack must be able to become a Power Blow. 3) The attack must not have text preventing it from becoming a head shot. So, an attack such a Caspian Master's Attack is perfectly able to become a Head Shot. It is Red grid, with 1 upper grid. (That's the reason it is a Master's Attack since it can indeed become a Head Shot otherwise it's no better than a Rapier Slice) The old "upper Case" rule made a distinction between "Upper" and "upper". The former referred to cards with the word Upper in the title whereas the latter meant cards with any upper row grid. This rule is no longer in existence and both 'Upper' and 'upper' refer to the same thing. Now that this is true, the distinction made by the Scythe above (which says Middle or Thrust) would no longer be necessary. A thrust is a Middle Center attack by definition now and would therefore qualify for the conditions of Scythe. I only brought this whole thing up because a newbie reading this thread could get very confused and I wanted it to be clear.
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 21, 2007 15:41:24 GMT -5
I only brought this whole thing up because a newbie reading this thread could get very confused and I wanted it to be clear. Thats makes sense
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kaiser
Ancient Immortal
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Post by kaiser on Sept 21, 2007 15:51:19 GMT -5
Especially those not used to card game mechanic wonkiness.
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 21, 2007 15:57:16 GMT -5
Especially those not used to card game mechanic wonkiness. WHich 1ed is FAMOUS for.
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Post by dbaker on Sept 21, 2007 17:06:17 GMT -5
wonkiness, What wonkiness. You just have to throw common sense and logic out the window to play at times.
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kaiser
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Post by kaiser on Sept 21, 2007 17:39:01 GMT -5
I thought 1e was also the game where you have to go, "As you can clearly see on page 24 paragraph e of the Extended Addenum to the Supplementary Handbook this is the way it works."
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Post by dbaker on Sept 21, 2007 18:10:40 GMT -5
sometimes the senic route is not the best way to go.
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 21, 2007 19:46:06 GMT -5
I thought 1e was also the game where you have to go, "As you can clearly see on page 24 paragraph e of the Extended Addenum to the Supplementary Handbook this is the way it works." It is. That is why we are hoping that a new rulebook could maybe clear somethings up. 1ed and 2ed have much in common, and a shared set of rules would be nice. However, I understand Type One isnt a big priority, so it wont break my heart if the rulebook isnt comprehensive. Although, given the amount of time its been given to write, it should be. No pressure or anything.
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Post by headswillroll on Sept 22, 2007 7:03:25 GMT -5
I don't remember them but definately see the reasoning on not allowing that version of the Mace out. The other two I would have to think on. Headswillroll
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Post by headswillroll on Sept 22, 2007 7:08:50 GMT -5
I thought 1e was also the game where you have to go, "As you can clearly see on page 24 paragraph e of the Extended Addenum to the Supplementary Handbook this is the way it works." Now, now, regardless of the format or edition, there will be multiple rulebooks due to updating the rules, that is normal for any card game. The important thing is to keep the entire populace aware of the rule changes and not spring them on players last minute. This of course does not apply to 2ed as of yet since there isn't a rulebook. Headswillroll
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