Nakano/Connor Masters Disarm Question

[prowler7]

Heya!

From The Handbook-
Master's Disarm [ME] - R - Connor, Nakano - EVENT
You may only play this card if you are completely Disarmed and your opponent played at least 1 non-Ranged Attack last turn. Play this card in your Defense Phase. Your opponent is Disarmed. You are rearmed. Your Defense Phase ends. Your opponent may roll to recover your lost weapon, unless it was broken.

Here is my question-
You have 2 WoC and you have thrown out multiple attacks, your opponent plays the Masters Disarm for the first attack. The card states that his Defense Phase ends, does this mean he has to take all the other attacks? I couldnt find anything in either the Handbook or Addendum that states the answer. It would seem that since thier Defense Phase ends, they WOULD have to take all the other attacks.

[jamesmcmurray]

Yes, he has to take the other attacks.

[powerblow]

If I remember correctly the card states that you avoid any further attacks. Not sure exactly how this would work with having 2 weapons.

[prowler7]

powerblow said:

If I remember correctly the card states that you avoid any further attacks. Not sure exactly how this would work with having 2 weapons.

AH, therein lie the problem - what the card says and what the HANDBOOK says. My quote above was directly from the Handbook, which means Masters Disarm has been errataed. That bit of errata is NOT something you would want to be caught flat footed on.

Player 1 (facing 12 attacks) - OK, I play Masters Disarm for the first attack.
Player 2 (who is using 2 WoC) - OK, so you take 22 points of damage, discard down and lets see what you think of this Head Shot.
Player 1 -

[Thorr]

Here's the rub, though. If your opponent disarms you, he gets to choose which of your two weapons he disarms. Hope your secondary weapon still let's you play attacks. (parrying blade is most common and does allow attacks, but Shield would not.

If you do have a weapon that will still make attacks, then yes, your opponent would end up taking all those attacks without being able to block them.

[jamesmcmurray]

Does the handbook say that anywhere? AFAIK, and it doesn't make much sense, once an attack is in play it's in play.

[Thorr]

Look in the handbook under Disarming and Weapons of Choice. It state that your opponent chooses the weapon.

as far as nullifying attacks after a disarm, that's one of those things that is implied but not ever explicitly stated. (I so don't want to open this can of worms, but it looks like I have to.)

Basically, if you become disarmed before your attacks are dealt with, then those attacks are nullified. the best example of this is Disarm (block). If you play Disarm in conjunction with a block on your opponent's first attack and your Disarm is successful, all subsequent attacks are nullified.

Disarm (block) - Play in conjunction with a Basic Block. If the block is successful, you have a 1 in 6 chance of disarming your opponent. If you succeed in disarming your opponent, you avoid any further attacks this turn.

This supposed to set the precedent for cards like Master's Disarm where your opponent can become disarmed before all of his attacks are dealt with.

[jamesmcmurray]

I agree that it makes perfect sense. I'm just wondering why they removed that clause from the master disarms but not the block disarm. Also, with the block disarm you can also avoid any pistols or dirty tricks sent your way, even though they could have been played by your disarmed opponent.

Hopefully when they get around to reprinting something similar to this trick in the future they word it well.

[dbaker]

If an opponent is using 2 WOC and you disarm(using the disarm:block) 1 of them, would not the attacks made by the disarmed weapon be avoided. I can see that the attacks made by the other weapon must still be defended against.

[Thorr]

The wording on the Disarm (block) will nullify all further attacks no matter what happens because of the wording on the card. When dealing a similar situation but not using the Disarm (block) card, all attacks that can be legally made -without- the disarmed weapon will stay in play.

Example...

I am playing a Rapier and Parrying blade.

In my attack phase I play UCA, Rapier Slice (UR), Parrying Blade Surprise Attack (ML).

My opponent disarms me with the Master's Disarm and chooses the Rapier.

The UCA will go through. The Rapier Slice will not (because the rapier has been disarmed), and the Surprise Attack will still go through. The parrying blade can legally make the UCA and the Surprise attack happen but it can't make the Rapier Slice happen.

Make more sense now?

[dbaker]

The back parrying blade states that "you may use the Parrying Blade if you are using another one-handed(1 Hand Icon) Weapon of Choice." If your opponent disarms and breaks your weapon, are you still able to use the parrying blade since you are not using another one-handed Weapon of Choice?

[jamesmcmurray]

The handbook says that your offhand weapon must specifically say you can't attack with it if you're disarmed. It also specifies that you can use the parrying blade while disarmed.