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Post by spacewolf on Apr 21, 2007 22:02:41 GMT -5
seeing as how message boards like these go, im sure this has been asked before, but since I'm board and would like to see the results...whos your fav, and why?
Mine is Connor,can't beat the orignal...as the tag line says, "there can be only one"...that includes Macleods
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Post by rplantau on Apr 22, 2007 3:02:47 GMT -5
I like - as many do - to selectively ignore parts of Highlander history For me, Duncan is better - more charisma, more style, better swordsman.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Apr 22, 2007 12:25:09 GMT -5
Connor was the greatest until he pansied out and decided it would be better to get his head lopped off then gang up on Kell. They've always been pretty close for me though, mainly bcause Duncan, while a weaker character IMO, has had a lot of screen time to fill in those holes.
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Post by spacewolf on Apr 22, 2007 15:34:52 GMT -5
"Connor was the greatest until he pansied out and decided it would be better to get his head lopped off then gang up on Kell. They've always been pretty close for me though, mainly bcause Duncan, while a weaker character IMO, has had a lot of screen time to fill in those holes. "
I like many also selectively ignore some of the highlander history...like the last movie!!! I dont care what anyone says...the kurgan was by far the baddest of the bad, and when connor killed him, he won the prize. i personally like to view the show and the movies as two different universes...tho i cant do that as well because of ENDGAME...although i hear on the DVD release of that movie there was a different ending.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Apr 22, 2007 18:13:24 GMT -5
Connor was in the very first episode of the series. It's not Endgame that combined the two universes.
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Post by spacewolf on Apr 23, 2007 8:04:04 GMT -5
yeah, i tend to ignore that one too
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Post by ReelHotGames on Apr 23, 2007 9:37:09 GMT -5
What if "the prize" is a legend - mythical in a sense and doesn't really exist. We have seen that when you lop off a head then you take the sum of power and knowledge (which would make Duncan much more of a badass than he has been shown to be...) So when Conner killed Kurgan he got a wicked quickening, which might seem like " a prize".
That's the theory I have, because otherwise you just can't accept the series as cannon, or vice versa and it's the movies that are not.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Apr 23, 2007 11:09:45 GMT -5
That's the official explanation as well. Or at least, the part about Kurgan's Quickening being so strong that Connor thought he'd won the prize.
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Post by spacewolf on Apr 23, 2007 13:10:20 GMT -5
well in that case, I guess it makes sence. I can accept that, tho I still like connor, and think its garbage that he would allow himself to be martyred. Moreover, because of the existance of connor, it seems like duncan is almost a copycat of connor. both highlanders from same clan, both carry dragon hilted samurai swords etc. Granted duncan has had plenty of time differentiate himself due to the show...but i digress....
oh yeah, and kurgan was way more badass than kell ever was, i have no idea why he was "SO POWERFUL." then again thats just my opinion.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Apr 23, 2007 13:32:19 GMT -5
He apparently had some jedi mind tricks, since his minions just sat there and waited to be decapitated.
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Post by silas73 on Apr 24, 2007 8:45:20 GMT -5
For me it has to be Duncan. We just know him so much better. Connor is darker, colder and more mysterious but I feel like I know Duncan after the years of the series, while Connor is someone I have met but makes me a bit nervous. there was much more range to Duncan, we saw him good and evil, laugh and cry (both convincingly!) and he's just a better fighter as well. Though that is more of an Adrian Paul thing I guess. good idea for a poll.
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Post by spacewolf on Apr 24, 2007 9:25:59 GMT -5
i wouldnt say that duncan is a better fighter, but perhaps has a bit more flair to his technique. I will grant you, you will never see connor spin around for a head shot. But i think thats what I like about connor, he's all business, economy of movement. Yes connor is colder and more distant, but I also think thats just his personality...another reason why I think the endgame ending made no sence.
Now im not saying that i dont like duncan, cuz I do. and I like to compare the differences of the two with their similarities. I think if we saw a duel between the two, (not the halfhearted one we saw in endgame) it would be an extremely long one. although I would like to see it, Style VS Precision.
oh and just an afterthought....why doesnt connor use his illusionist powers that he got from Kane...it think if anyone would have jedi mind trickes it would be him?...
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Post by prowler7 on Apr 24, 2007 10:51:09 GMT -5
oh and just an afterthought....why doesnt connor use his illusionist powers that he got from Kane...it think if anyone would have jedi mind trickes it would be him?... I think this is a prime reason why you have to look at the Movie Connor and the TV Connor as two seperate entities. I think you can even (in a twisted way) reconcile the movie Connors into a timeline, but they have NOTHING to do with the TV Connor. Of course, this is NOT counting EndGame and the upcoming The Source as being "Movie" continuity, those are just extensions of the TV show. EndGame gave us a glimpse at Connors TV self being similiar to his Movie self (with the flashbacks to his antique shop and Rachel Ellenstein), and even his entry in the Watchers Database (which is TV continuity) had him fighting Kurgan, however, there are a couple things that tell us things went differently between the two selves: In the movie, Connor fell in love with Brenda and before his fight with The Kurgan "killed" his Nash persona and left everything to Rachel Ellenstein. In the TV, after his defeat of The Kurgan he is obviously still with Rachel (as per the EndGame flashback). So we can surmise that in the TV, Connors battle with the Kurgan was NOT for The Prize, but simply a battle between immortals and that Brenda Wyatt was not even involved, therefore Connor did not fall in love with her. So, if the TV Connor and Movie Connor are different, it would explain why he didnt use any of the abilities he had won from Katana, Corda, Reno, Khan or Kane in EndGame. Also, the Connor we see in the TV is more of a head hunter than the one we see in the Movies (not counting EndGame). In fact, he chastises Duncan for "taking breaks" from the game by hiding on Holy Ground. I think the reason Connor acts the way he does in EndGame is a condition we see from different immortals both in the TV and Movies : Weariness. For some immortals, after a while, they grow weary of life. They cannot die, yet everything and everyone around them dies. We see that weariness in Ramirez (he had Kurgan BEATEN, yet only toyed with him, he WANTED to die), we saw it in Yung Dol Kim (the transcript of his fight with Kurgan states that he gives up and allows Kurgan to take his head), we saw it in several immortals during the TV series. I think for Connor, the years of hunting and watching everything die finally got to him.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Apr 24, 2007 11:10:30 GMT -5
The guys who did End Game said they were ignoring movies 2 and 3 because of the continuity problems involved. That's why Connor never references them or tries to use any magic.
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Post by spacewolf on Apr 24, 2007 11:30:21 GMT -5
The guys who did End Game said they were ignoring movies 2 and 3 because of the continuity problems involved. That's why Connor never references them or tries to use any magic. unfortunately by doing that you take away most of connors character development, and are left with one movie and a pilot episode.
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