Looking at Opponents hand

[Heel Santa]

Labyrinth; No player may look at another player's hand.

The Raven; Your opponent must play with their Hand face up. You do not have to randomly choose cards for your Persona Power.

Does Labyrinth stop you from having to play with your hand face up?

I'm sure there is a silly ruling that someone will say that The Raven doesn't allow you to look at your opponents hand, your opponent is just playing with cards face up. That would be ridiculous because that is semantics. By nature of the card you are looking at someone's hand. If that's the case then the person playing The Raven has to play with their eyes closed.

[prowler7]

The Raven is a Reveal effect, Labrynth prevents Reveal effects, so I would say it negates it. But thats just my opinion

[ultra]

If I read the rules right, Reveal is bigger than just looking at hand. But looking at opponent's hand is a Reveal effect. Since Labrynth is specific, any effect that shows or requires another player's hand to be shown... Should be denied/Stopped. So with Labrynth and Raven out in play, Amanda would be left with just doing random discards.

I guess I'm seconding the motion that Labrynth stops the Looking At Hand part of Raven and thereby also stops the pick specific cards to discards, too.

[zogfhyr]

I would agree with Labyrinth as well. The problem is that she can make you discard it before you can play it.

[Heel Santa]

I believe most of this conversation is Amanda in Plot/Hilt... I have no idea why I care because I don't play plot/hilt for multiple reasons (it's a tailored format for starters with way to many advantages for some and significant disadvantages for others) but, for standard 2e she's very stoppable.

1. She has to go first 50/50
2. Sacrifice
3. Q Zai Jie/ persona
4. Q Kamir/persona
5. Old Carl persona
6. The Gathering; Remove All
7. The Gathering; Remove location
8. The Gathering; Remove Plot
9. Selective memory
10. Amanda
11. Probably 20 more ways that I can't think of bc I'm at work.... I actually have a couple great work arounds I'm saving for our HUGE regional tourney that brings in a ton of people for...