Santa Barbara 1/10/09 Pack Rat
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Post by prowler7 on Jan 13, 2009 18:35:01 GMT -5
I have come to understand you all arent very familiar with the old Sealed Deck format. Here are some observations on what used to often happen in these events.
Players werent always guaranteed a Persona in a starter, so most players built thier decks using the cards they pulled and Generic Immortal construction guidelines. Even if a player got a persona, they may not have enough cards for that persona to make it playable, so they would simply build a generic deck. There were a couple immortals who generally caused people to use them if pulled, the most common being Slan Quince, as he generally has a large advantage in Sealed Deck. The only other reason to play a Persona card was if you were able to get a Master card that was playable, as you cant use a Master card if you dont have a Persona card.
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Static Cat
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Post by Static Cat on Jan 13, 2009 20:06:23 GMT -5
No, I don't think we ever played a Sealed Deck format here at least not for highlander, however, that does seem like the obvious thing to do.
And yes, I could see how Slan would be unfair at most . . . as for the other cards in the deck would you be able to use them even if you weren't that person?
That's what I was trying to find out, if you couldn't then as you said, there's almost no reason for a persona in the "Sealed Event" if you could use them then well . . . you see where this is going.
Regardless, thanks for the insight.
Cat
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 13, 2009 20:32:15 GMT -5
I had a question over your Pack Rat Tourney. Did you all use the new rule of starting with 10 ability? If so, did it make the rounds faster? Mike wanted that added to speed up the sealed deck tourneys, after the lengthy rounds at Gen-Con. If you would, let me know so I can compile that info with the other research to give him the results over all. Thanks.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 13, 2009 20:36:19 GMT -5
No, I don't think we ever played a Sealed Deck format here at least not for highlander, however, that does seem like the obvious thing to do. And yes, I could see how Slan would be unfair at most . . . as for the other cards in the deck would you be able to use them even if you weren't that person? That's what I was trying to find out, if you couldn't then as you said, there's almost no reason for a persona in the "Sealed Event" if you could use them then well . . . you see where this is going. Regardless, thanks for the insight. Cat Due to the popularity and ease of the Pack Rat format, the regular sealed deck tourneys might be a thing of the past. If we are to keep the regular sealed deck format, we will take all of the suggestions and apply them in the research to finalize the issue. Thanks, and we will be in touch.
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Static Cat
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Post by Static Cat on Jan 13, 2009 21:23:49 GMT -5
No, we kept the 15 life ( 16 if you got a +1 ) and our rounds ended usually within 30 minutes, some a little longer, some a little faster, but we've found as with most games we play that 30 minutes suffice for both Sealed Pack Rat and Swiss Style tournaments.
Anything else feel free to throw me a line. Cat
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Post by clique84 on Jan 13, 2009 21:38:50 GMT -5
We used to do 10 ability but you only lose 3 ability when u exhaust Bill
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 14, 2009 8:44:23 GMT -5
No, we kept the 15 life ( 16 if you got a +1 ) and our rounds ended usually within 30 minutes, some a little longer, some a little faster, but we've found as with most games we play that 30 minutes suffice for both Sealed Pack Rat and Swiss Style tournaments. Anything else feel free to throw me a line. Cat If you would, see if your group would be willing to run the next Sealed Deck tourney starting with ten ability, and losing five when you exhaust. If they are, then keep track of the times each match takes and the personas used, and send it to me for the research. That is the info I am really needing. Thanks.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 14, 2009 8:46:22 GMT -5
We used to do 10 ability but you only lose 3 ability when u exhaust Bill If you would, see if your group would be willing to run the next Sealed Deck tourney starting with ten ability, and losing five when you exhaust. If they are, then keep track of the times each match takes and the personas used, and send it to me for the research. That is the info I am really needing. Thanks.
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Static Cat
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Post by Static Cat on Jan 14, 2009 18:10:21 GMT -5
Sure, I'll see if they want to do that and see how it goes.
Cat
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Post by barenakedladies on Jan 14, 2009 23:32:45 GMT -5
Sure, I'll see if they want to do that and see how it goes. Cat I'm going to let you know that I am going to say no already to that idea for two reasons: 1) I don't think there is going to be another sealed deck/pack rat tournament for a few months. Unless metro has stuff they want to move, I can't see doing one until the next set comes out. 2) I like my long games of Highlander. I get to play once a week (if that) and I don't want my games cut short because Headswillroll wants to get some research on it. If he wants research on it, let him find it out. He always comes to the best conclusions himself anyways.
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Post by headswillroll on Jan 15, 2009 6:57:55 GMT -5
Sure, I'll see if they want to do that and see how it goes. Cat I'm going to let you know that I am going to say no already to that idea for two reasons: 1) I don't think there is going to be another sealed deck/pack rat tournament for a few months. Unless metro has stuff they want to move, I can't see doing one until the next set comes out. 2) I like my long games of Highlander. I get to play once a week (if that) and I don't want my games cut short because Headswillroll wants to get some research on it. If he wants research on it, let him find it out. He always comes to the best conclusions himself anyways. 1) There was no time frame given on when this has to be done. It is a research project to help with the event time slots for the upcoming GenCon. 2) What? It was a question asking if people could help on this subject. If you don't want to participate, then don't, it's your choice. Cute, but it is a team effort. The snide comments aren't making any headway either.
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Post by barenakedladies on Jan 15, 2009 13:03:25 GMT -5
1) There was no time frame given on when this has to be done. It is a research project to help with the event time slots for the upcoming GenCon. Funny because looking at what you said it looks like you want it to have two time frames. The first you said the NEXT sealed deck event. Seems like a time frame. Two: You want it done before Gencon indy. Seems like another time frame. Frankly, when I go to Gencon Indy in the summer and see a sealed deck even run where you start at 10 and lose when you exhaust, that would cut my time in a tournament considerably and I wouldn't want that in a tournament. Even more so in a tournament I would be paying for. I thought the whole point in going to the GAMING CONVENTION was to game. Not to have time slashed due to time constraints. Less gaming < More gaming. Cute, but it is a team effort. The snide comments aren't making any headway either. Oh it's a team effort now? Can I be included in this team which makes rules and playtests and helps decided Highlanders future?.....Oh, I already asked that and got shot down. My buddy Tonesgin sent you a letter trying to be part of the team and showing you a much easier way of displaying the rules, I'm glad he's on your team...oh wait, you shot him down too and made false accusations like him calling you "dumbasses" when that word was never said, but in the TONE of the letter it was like it was said. When we (not just Santa Barbara, but all players on the boards and in the Highlander community) gave our opinions on what we thought of the rules, I'm glad our opinions and suggestion were given the heart they needed and we part of this TEAM EFFORT ...OH WAIT we were never included in any decision and it was just you and your rules team (aka your 4 buddies making rulings) decided what was best for the game when clearly, we have wanted to help, take a load off of your hands and voluntieer to help you out with rulings, you just shot us down then too. You can't keep doing this, we have shown/proven we are here to help and keep getting shot down again and again and again and when you ask a favor which include cutting our Highlander tournaments which we have biweekly (if that) in half, in the name of research you want to have, what do you expect? Our player base here in Santa Barbara alone is inches away from quitting this game. This may not seem like a lot but factor this into your small business card game: There are at least 10 of us. 2 of us buy a case of cards alone. At least 3 of us will split a case worth of boxes and packs. The other 5 of us split another case worth of boxes and packs. Right there that is at least 3 cases JUST when the next set comes out. That isn't counting picking up packs or boxes here and there. So lets do a little math, by losing our business you are losing close to a couple thousand dollars worth of sales, and that just our single community. The entire point I'm trying to make is that things need to start changing around here. It really does have to become a TEAM EFFORT. This game is getting a lot bigger and with that, you have to start taking into consideration the suggestion, opinion and complaints of your players. Even more so the players that are heavily invested in this game (scottr, thorr, etc). I don't want to see this game go under, but with poorly executed and delivered rulings, with mishandling of players suggestion and opinions and with the overall quality of product, I can certainly foresee Highlander 2nd Edition going under.
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tiphus
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Post by tiphus on Jan 15, 2009 20:26:42 GMT -5
yes can I please remove all the cards I dont want to play with from my deck that would be cool. But the flip side to that, no more discard a card to draw a card in the may do/must do.
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Static Cat
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Post by Static Cat on Jan 16, 2009 5:07:08 GMT -5
WOW! . . . that's pretty much all I can say. You know Wilson, we can have other events as well and try these things out in a day that isn't our set tournament day. If it helps the game as a whole in the long run then perhaps that will be our part. As for everything else you said, I don't even want to get into it . . . I want to do what I can to help the community and if means playing on another day for a few hours to get more cards for the collection of the whole I'm willing to spend a little money. As for the comments about rules committee I would like to somehow get on that as well, but seeing how "things are going" I don't think that'll happen I am looking into attending GenConIndy along with some SB people so I do hope that Highlander as a whole will be played I have ideas that I want to bounce of people and I will be PINGING you via the email service here . . . you know who you are Tim ( oops was that outloud ) Okay, Enjoy! Cat
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