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Post by prowler7 on Sept 14, 2008 16:00:50 GMT -5
After discussions with Tim Small at the Recruits Convention here in KC, the following rules changes were officially made. The mandatory 3 week buffer will apply, so these rules will not go into effect until Oct 4th. End Game Rules for Type One - The Design Team wants the Type One End Game to mirror the Type Two End Game (so as not to confuse players). Losing 2 ability is the only difference now, to reflect the abundance of cards in Type One to raise a players ability above 20. Type Two ability loss remains at 1. Type One End Game : After time is called, beginning with the player who went first, each player loses 2 ability at the end of thier turn. Special cards may still be played with no penalty, special (permanant) cards are no longer swept from play when time is called. and no healing is allowed. In the absence of a Nexus and any hard rules for tournaments, this End Game is a suggestion by the Design Team for other groups to use, as it IS what will be used at the major events. 2nd Edition Personas - Any 2nd Edition Persona card whose persona ability does NOT invole gems is now legal for play in Type One. Example - This persona is now legal in Type One Amanda : During your May Do/Must Do Phase, you may discard up to three attacks from your hand to randomly discard the same number of cards from your opponents hand. This persona is NOT legal in Type One Hugh Fitzcairn : Once per turn, if you do not play a Special Card, you may make a Hard Exertion to prevent one damage for each found (to a maximum of two). The above isnt legal because of the text I bolded and underlined.
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Post by dbaker on Sept 14, 2008 17:01:12 GMT -5
Very good then. It will be so.
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 14, 2008 17:35:02 GMT -5
Very good then. It will be so. I thought you were there and heard it, Dallis. Then again, you were pretty busy.
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Post by hakashi on Sept 14, 2008 17:43:41 GMT -5
The fact that inplay special cards will not be swept definitly makes me smile! No more missing catwalks when I need them in play the most.
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Post by zarth2k on Sept 14, 2008 19:34:23 GMT -5
2nd Edition Personas - Any 2nd Edition Persona card whose persona ability does NOT invole gems is now legal for play in Type One. Example - This persona is now legal in Type One Amanda : During your May Do/Must Do Phase, you may discard up to three attacks from your hand to randomly discard the same number of cards from your opponents hand. This persona is NOT legal in Type One Hugh Fitzcairn : Once per turn, if you do not play a Special Card, you may make a Hard Exertion to prevent one damage for each found (to a maximum of two). The above isnt legal because of the text I bolded and underlined. RIGHT ON!!! Dude! you know I am SOOOOOO taking credit for this one. *LOL*
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 14, 2008 20:11:24 GMT -5
I think the persona ruling is a very good one. In Type One we now have some real options for some immortals, different directions you can take now, and really I think it makes Amanda REALLY good now. What happens when some of the OTHER 1st ed immortals come out and have a different power that is compatible with Type One? I am psyched.
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Post by zarth2k on Sept 15, 2008 2:43:45 GMT -5
I am in complete agreement and equally psyched. I think allowing both versions of a persona in type one can result in much more interesting contest when it comes to Persona vs. Same Persona Games. Now it can be Amanda 1E vs. Amanda 2E or something similar. Also, It now becomes much easier for people to entice people from Type 1 to 2E. Once a Xavier 1E fan faces a Xavier 2E, I think he will find him self very interested in picking up the new persona, and eventually his new support cards. Personally, I am a hardcore Type one fan. I don’t like anything that moves me to far away from using my old stash of cards. However, I am ALL about supporting the new game too. And the more 2E we can work in the better. I am a huge advocate of not making Personas, WoCs, or Hilts that doesn’t have Type one equivalents available. Because I think those are the cards that really catch the eyes of older players and can pull them into the new edition. But hey…that is just my opinion.
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Post by zarth2k on Sept 18, 2008 4:34:15 GMT -5
On a slightly different note… Now that Amanda’s new Persona is type 1 legal, we need to see about getting her new Steal unbugged. Honestly I don’t see why they bugged it in the 1st place. It’s just these kind of improved cards that will make old players want to invest in 2E. Unless of course LM bugs them…
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 18, 2008 5:31:00 GMT -5
On a slightly different note… Now that Amanda’s new Persona is type 1 legal, we need to see about getting her new Steal unbugged. Honestly I don’t see why they bugged it in the 1st place. It’s just these kind of improved cards that will make old players want to invest in 2E. Unless of course LM bugs them… Quite honestly, since that card was made in Core, it was most likely bugged because there was already an Amanda Steal in 1ed. If you notice, in that early set they pretty much bugged any card that would be a duplicate. Now that things have changed, it may be possible that some bugged cards get erratted.
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Post by zarth2k on Sept 18, 2008 6:07:10 GMT -5
I had noticed that, but so much was bugged in the Beta/Core I just started finding it arbitrary and stopped looking for whys at the time. Now looking back I can see what they were trying for, and I am glad that they have opened up the scope of the game. I hope we will see a lot of the early bugs removed to more evenly match what they seem to be doing now. Besides... When it comes to steal, I would rather pick my opponents misery than count on luck. *LOL*
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Post by Thorr on Sept 18, 2008 6:59:54 GMT -5
[ Opinion ]
I don;t mind the unbugging of several cards to make them more useful, but I think that all the Evade and Counter cards from 2E need to be/remain bugged. The new system of dodge design creates many extra dodge opportunities for older personas that really should not be there.
[ // Opinion ]
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 18, 2008 15:52:52 GMT -5
[ Opinion ] I don;t mind the unbugging of several cards to make them more useful, but I think that all the Evade and Counter cards from 2E need to be/remain bugged. The new system of dodge design creates many extra dodge opportunities for older personas that really should not be there. [ // Opinion ] I completely agree! Giving older immortals an array of additional dodges is a BAD idea.
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Post by zarth2k on Sept 18, 2008 19:56:11 GMT -5
I agree. At best there should be a trade off system. If you use the new version, you can no longer use the original. I do not however think we need more dodges in 1E.
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 18, 2008 20:32:19 GMT -5
I agree. At best there should be a trade off system. If you use the new version, you can no longer use the original. I do not however think we need more dodges in 1E. I dont like that one either. Really with the new generic dodge cards they are printing, I dont think there is a need for giving 1ed immortals more.
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Post by zarth2k on Sept 19, 2008 1:34:07 GMT -5
I don’t see were your getting that they would have more dodges from that. If your Duncan and can use EITHER 6 1E Dodges OR 6 2E Evade: Escapes (which are essentially the same card) how are you getting MORE dodges out of that? Either way you get 6 Dodges that make you loose 1 attack slot. However if someone knows that they can use their 2E Evade: Escapes in type 1, that would be a further incentive to buy new 2E product rather than buying old 1E product off of Ebay to finish out their decks. With the various boxes of 1E regularly going for 20$ or less, it is never a bad idea to give new and old players EVERY reason to want to pick up boxes of 2E and support LM. I know personally that all the bugged cards in the Beta/Core sets were one of the big reasons that I didn’t get back into the game when they first came out. I don’t mind if 15% of the cards are bugged, but 45% will make me pass. That is probably the biggest reason I waited until seeing the spoilers for Season 2 to start investing in 2E. Well OK… to be perfectly honest I would have started buying 2E when the Gathering set was released if it hadn't been for the repeated delays. Though I still think there are far to many bugged cards in that set also, if it had come out on time I would have given in to the sirens call of Ramirez.
As I see it, as 2E gets more and more Immortals it will become less and less about old vs. new and it will become more and more about Gem Constructed vs. Non Gem constructed. I think LM is doing a great job right now. I have enjoyed the Hell out of Season 2 and its expansion. (Not so sure about the next set. But I just have reservations about taking stuff from the anime.) I like many older players I know just don’t happen to enjoy the Gem system. I think this is Easily overcome by offering Non Gem based alternatives in Type 1 Prize packs, which LM has been doing to a degree. I can’t wait to see the English Long Sword Type one version, and I would still encourage them to do a Type One Sinuous blade. I also think they should offer a set of the type 1 equivalents with every purchase of 2 boxes of product for those who live in areas not large enough to support tournaments. But these are all just opinions, players can always fashion house rules to do what ever they want. That’s part of the beauty of a card game. But it would be nice to be able to do it in a sanctioned environment so that when players do have enough people they could step up and run official tournaments and better support the game. *Shrug* Like I said, Just my 2 cents.
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