zarth2k
Elder Immortal
"So lure him outside and take his head. Problem solved."
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Post by zarth2k on Nov 14, 2007 15:48:42 GMT -5
When I originally learned to play, I was told that you could NOT modify a Special attack Period. Since most of the people in my town learned to play from the same person, I’ve never ran into a conflict. I was going through the rules last night however, and I noticed that this would appear incorrect. It reads “Special attacks require some knowledge or preparation on the part of the attacker. They are marked with a gold grid instead of a red grid, and they will also have the words "Special Attack" at the top of the text box. Special Attacks are governed by these additional rules: they may not be Power Blows (or Head Shots), they may not be Hidden, and they may not be pulled from an Exertion when searching for an attack.” Looking at that, it would appear as if they can still be modified my Special cards and situational modifiers in play. Is this correct?
Lets say I’m playing Kronos can I play a trip (+1 damage) and then a Master’s Attack and end up with a +1 damage attack that must be blocked from an exertion?
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What if I am Playing Silas… I have out Lighthouse (While Lighthouse is in play, any player who plays an attack that is not successful loses all Standing Defenses and may not play a dodge during his next turn.) And Master's Proficiency (You may only play this card if you are using the War Axe Weapon of Choice. If you play a block during your turn and it is successful, your opponent cannot play a block against the first attack you play.) If my opponent attacks and I block (with my war axe of course) does that then mean that I could play an unblockable undogable Master Swordsman during my attack phase?
Also while I’m asking, I read a ruling some were a while back that made it sound like Master Swordsman could be made a Headshot because it inherently violated the rule about Special attacks not being a Power Blow. I’ve never played it this way, but I just want to make sure I’m not incorrectly ruling it out.
Thanks for the information. I’m gearing up to teach a few new people to play, and I would hate to pass my mistakes on to them.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Nov 14, 2007 16:10:21 GMT -5
Looking at that, it would appear as if they can still be modified my Special cards and situational modifiers in play. Is this correct? Yes. Edges aren't allowed, though I can't point to the rule offhand, I know it's there. Yep. Yep. If an upper attack can be a power blow and doesn't specify that it cannot be a head shot, then it can. You're welcome!
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Post by Thorr on Nov 14, 2007 16:54:24 GMT -5
The rule for Edges and special attacks is not found in the current rulebook posted on the HL website. That particular incarnation of the rulebook is the Arms & Tactics version at its base. The final rulebook contains the rule and can be found here - www.stilldesigning.com/highlander/rules.htm This is quoted from that rulebook - James is completely correct in all of his answers to you, but further explain the Master Swordsman issue, the text for Master Swordsman specifically says that it -can- be a power blow. By rule, an attack that contains an upper grid that -can- be made into power blow can also be made a head shot unless the card specifically forbids it.
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Post by dbaker on Nov 14, 2007 17:28:00 GMT -5
Would you have to play a Headshot-Event card with it? Or just say it is a headshot?
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Post by Thorr on Nov 14, 2007 17:37:18 GMT -5
You have to play card that will turn it into a head shot.
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Post by therecanbeonlyme on Nov 14, 2007 18:21:22 GMT -5
Feint can still 'modify' an attack can't it? Since Feint is played in conjunction with a defense, it's effects would still carry over to a special attack if I played one, wouldn't they?
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zarth2k
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Post by zarth2k on Nov 14, 2007 18:41:45 GMT -5
Thanks a lot James, and Thorr. That clears up a lot of questions, and will make for much more interesting game play.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Nov 14, 2007 20:44:14 GMT -5
Feint can still 'modify' an attack can't it? Since Feint is played in conjunction with a defense, it's effects would still carry over to a special attack if I played one, wouldn't they? Yes. The only thing you can't do with edges and special attacks is play them alongside each other. If you manage to turn an attack that had an edge played with it into a special attack (by using a Musket for example), the edge(s) played will be nullified.
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Post by victorkruger on Nov 15, 2007 13:39:19 GMT -5
Hmm... been playing since the game came out and didn't know this one! Most of the common edges said "play on/with" a basic attack... things like Lunge come to mind. I didn't realize that they'd added a blanket rule in the Handbook.
How does that effect something like Flashing Blades? If you lay out 6 attacks - basic, YDK MA, basic, YDK MA, basic, YDK MA... can I drop 3 full grid dodges and block all 6 attacks as the edge doesn't impact the special attacks? Or is FBlades not considered to be effecting the attacks but my defenses? Seems that if Feint(hidden) won't work on a special niether would FB.
Same attack string as above... one full dodge gets the first basic and all 3 MAs and I suck back the other two basics?
Thanks, VK
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Nov 15, 2007 13:44:49 GMT -5
Flashing Blade affects your opponent's defenses, not your attacks. Feint also works.
Edges can modify special attacks, they just can't be played along with them, and are nullified retroactively if the attack changes type.
If you play a non-special attack witha Flashing Blade, followed by 5 special attacks, dodges will not carry anywhere.
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Post by victorkruger on Nov 15, 2007 13:58:39 GMT -5
I swear this board is losing posts...there was a note from THorr I believe last night saying that Feint (Hidden) didn't work with a special attack.
Your answer makes a lot more sense to me, but I wasn't sure... I didn't even know about that handbook entry... guess I need to reread the whole thing! We just looked up problems and that never was one.
Thanks, VK
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Post by Thorr on Nov 15, 2007 14:20:18 GMT -5
Nope, no post by me. With your 2 examples of Flashing Blade and Feint, the effects will carry over to special attacks so long as you don;t play the actual Edge card in conjunction with a Special Attack. In the old days, one of the key elements of successfully using Flashing Blades was to make sure you played it with a non-special attack such that it combined with a special attack. Example - Duncan uses a Rapier WoC. He plays Leg Sweep, Master's Attack, Lower Center Attack. If he wants to use Flashing Blades with this combo, he must play it in conjunction with the LCA. If he does so, a single dodge will not be sufficient to avoid all 3 attacks.
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 16, 2007 7:08:24 GMT -5
The other thing to keep in mind is that Flashing Blade does not have to be played in the attack phase. Nowhere on the card does it imply that you do, so you can play it at anytime whether it's effects are used or not. Headswillroll
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Post by Thorr on Nov 16, 2007 7:58:23 GMT -5
Flashing Blades must be played in conjunction with an attack... Sincwe you can only play attacks in the Attack Phase, that would preclude your statement.. The card is printed as such - Dodges will not avoid consecutive attacks you play this turn. However, the card is Errata'd to say - Play this card in conjunction with an Attack. A Dodge cannot avoid multiple attacks you play this turn. Now you must play it with an attack and the word Consecutive is replaced by Multiple. (That way you can't play a dodge that works for more than one attack at all.) You may be confusing it with the 2E Rapier Flashing Blades, but that is an Event and not an Edge and therefore isn't the one we are talking about.
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Post by headswillroll on Nov 16, 2007 8:05:33 GMT -5
Well, I was not aware of that errata. Where is it, because I have never seen it before. Headswillroll
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