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Post by headswillroll on Aug 27, 2007 8:48:59 GMT -5
We had a discussion on Nefertiri versus Kronos on his ability compared to hers. Here is the hypothetical scenario: -Nef draws five cards during her turn. -After her draw/discard Kronos goes to discard five cards from her hand. -Nef says no,no look at my ability, it states that any time she is forced to dicard she may return the cards to the top of her endurance. -Kronos says I agree but you are not doing the dicarding, I am, and therefore your ability is neutered. Those are both sides of the arguement in hypothsis. I put this out there for other player's perspectives on this subject, and if anyone knows of a reference in the rulebook/handbook/addendum then please forward it to me on here or by PM. This will be considered for Type One tourney play, so bear that in mind when you respond. Headswillroll
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Aug 27, 2007 9:10:58 GMT -5
Kronos is correct. There is no handbook entry that I saw, but the two persona powers are very explicit about what they affect. Nef's only works when she is doing the discarding.
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Post by greg on Aug 27, 2007 10:38:06 GMT -5
Yep, Kronos tosses her cards into the discard pile. Nef shrugs and draws up new cards and gives Kronos the finger.
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 27, 2007 11:05:20 GMT -5
Your responses are exactly how we ruled it, also. The person arguing couldn't understand that it was KRONOS doing the discarding, not Nef.
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Post by Tim Small on Aug 28, 2007 14:48:24 GMT -5
That is true, as soon as he discards the cards though, Nef can then redraw up to her ability.
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 28, 2007 15:24:21 GMT -5
That is true, as soon as he discards the cards though, Nef can then redraw up to her ability. How is that possible? Kronos ability kicks in at the END of Nefs Draw/Discard, which would leave her no turn in which to draw. She would have to wait until her Sweep Phase (and therefore that draw would activate Kronos' ability).
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Post by headswillroll on Aug 29, 2007 9:40:34 GMT -5
I was going to reply that Nef could get away from Kronos by using Perrenial, however that won't work either since Kronos is using his ability during his opponent's turn. So all in all Nef is at the mercy of Kronos in this aspect, since the only card that will work against this part of Kronos' ability is a persona specific signatured card that she cannot use. IE- Ramirez Master's Advantage (and I am not expecting seeing that in play anytime soon) Headswillroll
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Aug 29, 2007 11:23:08 GMT -5
Yep, Kronos is really mean to Nef. She can always keep drawing back up on her turn, but it means he'll be steadily and systematically burning her through her best cards.
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 29, 2007 16:05:48 GMT -5
Does this bother anybody else that Tim cant seem to get rulings right? ;D
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Aug 29, 2007 21:06:02 GMT -5
Nope. AFAIK he's not the rules guy.
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Post by prowler7 on Aug 29, 2007 21:53:53 GMT -5
Nope. AFAIK he's not the rules guy. Yet his name is on the addendum, so he must know SOMETHING.
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Post by headswillroll on Aug 30, 2007 12:04:28 GMT -5
Headswillroll
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Post by greg on Aug 30, 2007 15:13:39 GMT -5
The point is, before Nef plays another card, if she chooses to she can draw up to her ability. Kronos's ability which was designed to hinder Nef, really doesnt hurt her that bad. It might make her burn faster, but most Nefertiri decks that can win tournamnets, are gonna burn themselves out anyway. They win in a couple of turns, or they dont win at all.
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Post by erikmodi on Apr 4, 2008 11:41:48 GMT -5
But, Nef can always wait until her Draw/Discard phase to draw up, and thus bypass Kronos' ability completely.
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Post by headswillroll on Apr 4, 2008 12:02:15 GMT -5
WRONG!!!!
Kronos' ability kicks in after his opponent's Draw/Discard phase but before his Sweep phase. So Nefertiri cannot draw back up until the Must Do/May Do phase of her next turn.
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