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Post by prowler7 on Feb 15, 2007 16:53:49 GMT -5
Heya!
With all due respect, Thorr, we arent playing MLE, and as far as I know Tim and the other guys at LM arent following the rules set up in MLE. This is another reason why we need CONCRETE rulings for things like this. An obscure addendum (I saw the link in the other thread) to the handbook that 95% of the players who show up to a 1ed tourney have never seen isnt sufficient.
Personally, I dont think it is too much to ask for Tim or any of the other guys to throw a "yay" or "nay" to this. In fact, I have sent an IM to Tim asking him to look at this thread, and we STILL dont have an answer.
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Post by headswillroll on Feb 15, 2007 17:52:55 GMT -5
There is a mention and a web site for an addendum to the handbook in the links forum. I will post this question here as well to see if there is a reply from Tim and crew. In the 1ed tourneys are we strictly going by the handbook only or is the addendum going to be included? Or are you going to surprise us all and not respond? Headswillroll
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Post by Thorr on Feb 16, 2007 7:58:17 GMT -5
It's not an MLE rule.
The Attacks to specific Areas definition can be found in the Handbook -
Attacks to Specific Areas - When referring to groups of Attacks by area, such as Upper Attacks and Lower Attacks, any Attack that includes at least one Grid square in that area is considered to be that type of Attack. Example: The Weapon Specific card Slice: Rapier contains the Grid areas Upper Left (or Upper Right) and Middle Center. It is considered to be an Upper Attack, a Right Attack, a Middle Attack, and a Center Attack.
--- The Head Shot definition can be found in the Rule Book -
Head Shots
One key concept to the HighlanderTM game is the Head Shot. With one mighty swing and the familiar refrain, "There can be only one!" you strike the one blow that ends an Immortal's life. You must play the Head Shot card with an Upper attack. That attack instantly becomes a Power Blow, and if your opponent cannot defend against the attack, and it is a successful attack, then you immediately win the game. If your opponent blocks, dodges, or otherwise avoids the attack, the Head Shot fails and play continues. Note, however, that even though your opponent doesn't lose his head by playing a block; since the Head Shot is considered a Power Blow, if he does not make the block a Power block he will still take 2 damage.
There are other ways to make attacks Head Shots without the use of the Head Shot card and in some instances attacks themselves can be considered Head Shots. In all cases, attacks that are considered Head Shots follow all of the above rules. ----
Also see the Head Shot entry from the Handbook -
Head Shot- A Head Shot must be an Upper Attack. When an Attack becomes a Head Shot, it also becomes a Power Blow. If a player is unable to defend against or otherwise avoid the Head Shot, that player loses their Head and the game. Any Quickenings that player was using must be given to their opponent as stated on the Quickening card. If a player Blocks a Head Shot but does not Power Block, he does not lose his head, even though the Attack was successful. ------
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Post by Thorr on Feb 16, 2007 8:00:33 GMT -5
The handbook and Handbook addendum are TCG official documents, not MLE documents. The credentials of the folks who created them are clearly posted at the top of the documents. These -are- the rules folks. Every player needs to be aware of the contents of 3 documents- 1) Rulebook www.stilldesigning.com/highlander/rules.htm2) Handbook www.stilldesigning.com/highlander/handbook.htm3) Handbook addendum www.geocities.com/Area51/Stargate/4991/highland/handbook_addendum.htm These 3 documents comprise the rules of HL 1E. The HL card game continued to be supported online by the makers of the game even after they stopped printing new cards. If you haven't kept up, then you need to catch up and now would be as good a time as any to do that. The documents will clear up 99.5% of any questions or problems that you encounter with rules. That's why they were created.
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Post by headswillroll on Feb 17, 2007 6:33:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, i'll check it out and get back to you headswillroll
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Post by prowler7 on Feb 17, 2007 11:06:43 GMT -5
Heya!
Thanks for the links. As per usual, we have to count on OTHERS to get us rules and other pertinent info instead of the people who actually MAKE the game. In fact, when asked a direct question about what rules we will be using for 1ed, Tim and Co said "The Handbook". At no point has LM mentioned even the EXISTANCE of an addendum. Especially an addendum that was published about 2 years AFTER the Handbook. Talking to "old school" players, there are some who quit playing before the Handbook even came out, but the majority at least had heard of it. Highlander was dead* for all intents and purposes by the time this addendum was created. It is a shame it took THIS LONG for a link or mention of it was even made, and the fact it had to be done by somebody who DOESNT EVEN WORK FOR THE COMPANY is symptomatic of LM and thier practices thus far.
Tim, Brent and Greg, I admire what you guys have done bringing the game back and all, but there are still SO MANY HOLES to be filled in (regarding tourneys, rules, etc etc, both for 2ed and 1ed). Combine that with the shoddy production and you are losing a lot of customers and potential customers.
*dead being a relative term. the game has obviously lived on in a smaller capacity in various cities, not to mention the efforts of MLE. When I say dead, I refer to THunder Castle Games and thier actual production of Highlander.
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Post by headswillroll on Feb 17, 2007 17:30:27 GMT -5
I will concur with what prowler said and retype what I put in the links forum. We are wanting to know specifically what rules are valid and what is not so that rules won't be changed during tourneys by the company, like it was in the past. If you think that this line of questioning is aggressive then you would be correct, since asking politely has gotten us nowhere. As to anybody taking offense to my statement about rules being changed by the company towards the end of the initial run of Highlander you can ask Tim Small or Sean Cordero about that. I am validated in my statement by my previous ties to the company. Headswillroll
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Post by lang on Feb 18, 2007 19:53:10 GMT -5
Wow you guys are really thickheaded !! The Erratad Rules are in one of Thorr's links and comes DIRECTLY from Steve Crow himself . And I think some people seem to forget that Thorr is currently in charge of MLE and rules on card disputes in EVERY MLE tourney . As I have played in MANY a tourney .
One other thing , remember as of right now 2E is just Beta and nothing is official just yet so think everyone is getting a bit ahead of themselves . As of right now all rules for 1E should come from Steve Crows Handbook with rules addendum .
I like everyone disagreeing as it creates debate but dont question the rules or the Rules master . Enough said !
-Lang
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Post by prowler7 on Feb 18, 2007 23:27:58 GMT -5
The Erratad Rules are in one of Thorr's links and comes DIRECTLY from Steve Crow himself . And I think some people seem to forget that Thorr is currently in charge of MLE and rules on card disputes in EVERY MLE tourney . As I have played in MANY a tourney . #1 - All due respect to Thorr, but we arent PLAYING MLE, we are playing 1ed. It has already been ruled that MLE cards are not legal for Type One, so using MLE rules and rulings really isnt valid in this case. If we were using MLE cards in Type One, I wouldnt even be arguing this point. What we ARE arguing about is what set of rules and rulings from SIX YEARS AGO we are going to be using. #2 - Thorr linked the addendum AFTER Tim had (halfway) answered the question about what rules are going to be used. #3 - These questions have nothing to DO with 2ed. The rules for 2ed STILL are not set, but the cards we are asking about are not legal in 2ed, so it doesnt matter. #4 - Yes we ARE thick headed, but when you have dealt with this company for as long and as extensively as WE have, you GET thick headed. What we want are CONCRETE answers about what rules we are going to be using. A simple answer from the company will suffice, such as "We are using the Handbook and the last addendum for the tournament rules for Type One."
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Post by lang on Feb 19, 2007 7:12:04 GMT -5
MLE rules are no different than First Edition rules is the point . As for WE , I have been around since the beginning too and have taken so many heads I cant even begin to fathom the number . But what gets my goat is dudes that think they know everything and try to manipulate the rules to their wants one time and then the same situation arises at a later date and they say you cant do that ( although you did the exact same thing earlier).
Reason I say this is at conventions and all the person running the events lays out the format well in advance . If you have a problem with local tourneys then take it up with whomever runs those tourneys as THEY are responsible for making the final call .
Some of us live far from Kansas City and can barely get one opponent much less a tourney of 16 so have fun at your local tourneys and quit moaning because you dont kow the rules . Heck you been around since the beginning you would think you know the rules by now !!!
-Lang
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Post by zodo on Feb 19, 2007 10:50:21 GMT -5
Wow, what is it about MLE that makes people cover their ears and scream LA LA LA LA! whenever it's mentioned.
Have you people LOOKED at the rules addendum and Handbook that have been linked? Do you really want clarification on the rules, or do you get your jollies from arguing in the middle of a game?
Do you realize how silly you're going to look when the people WHOSE NAMES ARE ON THE DOCUMENT show up and say 'yeah, those are official for type 1'?
And to specifically address Prowler7's #3: You're the first to mention 2e in this particular thread. People are stubbornly arguing over 1st edition stuff. The only 2e rules are posted on this site, and in the little basic rules sheet in our starter sets.
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Post by prowler7 on Feb 19, 2007 16:55:27 GMT -5
Heya!
Out of respect for James, I will cool it and wait for Tim, Brent or Greg to reply.
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Post by headswillroll on Feb 19, 2007 23:11:35 GMT -5
Well, with out any respect for Zodo, Lang and the others that want to turn this in to a slamming sesssion since they don't think this is a valid question, I will leave your prescious little thread alone on this subject until I talk to Tim and Crew. Headswillroll
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Feb 20, 2007 8:27:58 GMT -5
How kind of you.
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Post by zodo on Feb 20, 2007 15:50:01 GMT -5
I don't think we've ever said it's a not a valid question.
We've taken offense that you guys don't think we're capable of pointing out a valid answer.
Eventually someone you accept will give an answer, we hope.
Makes me glad I've decided not to run Highlander at conventions anymore.
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