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Post by scottr on Feb 25, 2008 9:25:38 GMT -5
As far as the Friday tournament went, It was looked at as there is an undisputed written rule on the forum that everyone is aware of, and then a second hand "verbal" rule told by two players that no one else is aware of. I totally agree with Dallis' decision, regardless if you like it or not. I think that everyone should be able to play on a level field. You don't have the ability to make a rule. Copy and pasting is very easy (I or many others would be happy to do a simple explanation, and the quote button makes it very easy), and it will be needed for anything to be considered Official Errata. Regardless of the intention, a rule was made up, we have no way of knowing if it was ever seen before the tournament (it hadn't been replied to), and it created an uneven playing field. #2- Scottr, I was referring to you when I said "pulling a fast one". You want to know why? It is quite simple, you and Jerry were made privy to the intent of Brent's post a week in advance, but yet neither of you felt it was needed to be addressed to other players through email or a phone call or on the forum. Now, either way it did not help your last place finish, now did it? I still don't believe you are listening - I read Brent's information on this forum, and understood it. I had the same information as anyone else who read the forum. There was no new rule in effect, and you argued in one you created to win a game. That aspect is between you and Jerry (who got last as a result - not that that part matters). |
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Feb 25, 2008 14:25:25 GMT -5
#1- Why is it that the people that only gripe about how things are done in this game are the ones that do nothing to help the game? Because "only gripe" is, by definition, "doing nothing to help the game?" The question answers itself.  |
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Post by headswillroll on Feb 25, 2008 22:44:56 GMT -5
You know what, I am tired trying to justify myself, for no reason. I have listed my reasons for doing what I did at the time and stand by them, and the design team has commented accordingly. If you have a problem, oh well. I am not the only person that read it in the way I did, just the one that called you guys on it. If you think I am going to sit idly by why you try to gripe and complain everything about this game until it is changed to your way of thinking only, then you are in for a long road.  Headswillroll PS- Why James you and I agree on something else, we will have to stop doing this, it is becoming disturbing. ;D ;D |
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Post by Tim Small on Feb 26, 2008 11:18:54 GMT -5
I appreciate you input headswillroll, some times it is hard to take. Then I know it's time to take a break from the forums.
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Post by headswillroll on Mar 1, 2008 6:24:10 GMT -5
I appreciate you input headswillroll, some times it is hard to take. Then I know it's time to take a break from the forums. I know I can be brash at times Tim, however I hate people putting my words and actions out of context because they want the world thier way. I am fairly certain that everyone is aware that the click of a mouse can verify any rules postings I have put in the type one forum. Headswillroll |
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Post by headswillroll on Mar 1, 2008 7:03:51 GMT -5
As far as the Friday tournament went, It was looked at as there is an undisputed written rule on the forum that everyone is aware of, and then a second hand "verbal" rule told by two players that no one else is aware of. I totally agree with Dallis' decision, regardless if you like it or not. I think that everyone should be able to play on a level field. You don't have the ability to make a rule. Copy and pasting is very easy (I or many others would be happy to do a simple explanation, and the quote button makes it very easy), and it will be needed for anything to be considered Official Errata. Regardless of the intention, a rule was made up, we have no way of knowing if it was ever seen before the tournament (it hadn't been replied to), and it created an uneven playing field. #2- Scottr, I was referring to you when I said "pulling a fast one". You want to know why? It is quite simple, you and Jerry were made privy to the intent of Brent's post a week in advance, but yet neither of you felt it was needed to be addressed to other players through email or a phone call or on the forum. Now, either way it did not help your last place finish, now did it? I still don't believe you are listening - I read Brent's information on this forum, and understood it. I had the same information as anyone else who read the forum. There was no new rule in effect, and you argued in one you created to win a game. That aspect is between you and Jerry (who got last as a result - not that that part matters). On response #1- Regardless, of whatever way you choose to twist my words, the point is that everyone thinks in thier own way, not everyone thinks in the Scottr way. Brent even clarified that his post was not clearly intended, because it could be interpreted in different ways, and with that I changed the rule posting. I made no rule, just transferred it in a manner you in particular don't like, since no one else had a problem. However, I don't see anyone else other than Prowler and I doing anything on this forum to keep the Type One format up to date and understandable. On response #2- You want to try to discredit me, fine go for it. You want to say I pushed a game ruling in my favor to win, BS! Why don't you say the rest of the truth, that Jerry had an illegal deck, not including this ruling you are argueing about, and I caught it first turn, huh? Secondly, Dallis was the tournament director, not I, and you know what, if you have a problem with that decision, then why don't you step your ass up and run a tourney sometime? You have irritated me and so if you want to discredit me then let's take things into consideration. Headswillroll- 1- Played in tournaments since two months after original Series One game released 2- Playtested for almost six years 3- Was Kansas City Representative for a little over two years 4- Was Midwest Regional Representative for two years 5- Was part of the Design Team for 4H, part of A&T. 6- Put up with far more than you could ever dish out from Jerry Cook, Tim Small, Tim Prickett, and Bill Chien, just to name a few, as a tournament director for years. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scottr- 1- Played eight years ago from time to time 2- Playtested once or twice, but only remembered Jerry S. and Steve H. (Note: These are things I, as well as others have heard from him at different times over the last five months) Headswillroll |
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Post by scottr on Mar 1, 2008 17:02:28 GMT -5
I'm dissapointed, but I will answer your questions.
1. Why don't you say the rest of the truth, that Jerry had an illegal deck, not including this ruling you are argueing about, and I caught it first turn, huh?
To my knowledge Jerry's deck was completely legal and you 'caught' it late in the game (once you saw the other edition of Kirk Matunas or Boom Boom). I hestitate to use the word caught, as both Jerry and I stated before the tournament started that our decks would not be legal once the list came out. You and Prowler were in that conversation.
I only posted to this thread in an attempt to clear up the original message from 'the company' for any other T1 tournaments in the mean time.
2. Secondly, Dallis was the tournament director, not I, and you know what, if you have a problem with that decision, then why don't you step your ass up and run a tourney sometime?
I think this area is very lucky to have Dallis, but if he needed a break or thought there was a demand for additional games that he didn't feel like doing, I would be more than happy to run a tourney. He has been running a good number of consistent games for both Type 1 and 2, and I'm not sure there is a player base to support more.
While I don't see much room to run a tournament, it does seem like time to start working demo decks (and some simple giveaway decks) to start gathering new players from open play nights at local shops. I'm not sure if there is anyone doing that right now in Blue Springs. That is how Jerry got me into the game ten years ago, and it seems to be needed to grow the game again.
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Hopefully this brings this to a close. You misunderstood Brent, and spread some incorrect info - and it is okay. When I spoke of quoting official rules (rather than rephrasing), and providing link and exact citations in this 'Official Errata' thread, you take it as a personal insult, rather than looking at the ramifications of these miscommunications on T1. It has so many layers of errata already, can it afford any more barriers?
I don't think anyone on this forum expects perfection from anyone (except the design team :-) ) - I may be wrong or right on any given issue, but I do care about my behavior in either case.
Trying to use a chopped bio to denigrate me as a player, or claiming 'I got last place' as a way for you to 'win' a thread, is just juvenile. Disagree, discuss, post opinions or old stories, but enough of the personal attacks and 'do you know who I am'. You are just another player, just like most of us here.
Have a nice weekend.
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