Donald
Ancient Immortal
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Post by Donald on Apr 13, 2008 17:25:12 GMT -5
..But he killed Nefertiri back in season 2 even though he had made love to her. He was also defending Marcus who wasn't trying to stop Nef from killing him. Duncan tried to talk her out of it during the whole fight but she would not relent. It was either Nef or Marcus and he chose Nef.
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Post by greg on Apr 13, 2008 19:38:21 GMT -5
In the Chivalry episode, he KNEW she had killed mortals. KNEW she would kill mortals again, but wouldnt kill her.
Yet he didnt hesitate with Nefertiri. And later was willing to kill the German woman who was going to kill hate mongers.
I'm just pointing out again flaws in his character. He wasnt consistant.
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Post by jamesmcmurray on Apr 13, 2008 20:23:21 GMT -5
Who is?
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Post by forimthehighlander on Apr 13, 2008 20:53:48 GMT -5
This thread is starting to explain why there are so many Duncan-hate cards in 2nd Edition.....
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Donald
Ancient Immortal
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Post by Donald on Apr 14, 2008 7:14:05 GMT -5
He did have a long term relationship with Kristen and just a fling with Nef.
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Post by Thorr on Apr 14, 2008 7:21:29 GMT -5
And Nef did try to kill him directly before he fought back...
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Post by greg on Apr 14, 2008 10:12:16 GMT -5
You think there's Duncan hate cards out there... Just wait until I get done with Grayson. And I like Grayson. And Methos is one of my favorite immortals, but he will get plenty of hate as well. =) Mainly because there is no way I want to see him end up like he did the first time around in the card game.
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Post by erikmodi on Apr 14, 2008 10:42:40 GMT -5
That's what I'd really like to see explored in a new Highlander show. . . a person who, a hundred (or two, or three, or four hundred) years ago, was following the prevailing morality of the time, a morality that has changed significantly since then. Then having to deal with the consequences of those changes. This is exactly what pretty much EVERY 'bad guy' was doing. Just watch every highlander episode form the point of view of the enemy and you have this idea done. Not really. Most of them didn't really change over the years. Kanis was still brining people down with his dogs, and the dogs were more important to him then anyone or anything else. Kern was still a murdering bastard, Kinman was still an assassin for hire, etc. Most of the bad guys were still doing the same bad guy things they'd done back in the day. When he did meet an Immortal who'd actually changed, he left him alive. Can't remember dude's name, but the guy who'd been a war profiteer in Spain and Korea, then changed his ways and became a religious leader.
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Post by Thorr on Apr 14, 2008 11:49:23 GMT -5
Ok, you just agreed with me completely...
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Post by erikmodi on Apr 15, 2008 11:51:01 GMT -5
Ok, you just agreed with me completely... No. . . I said there was one Immortal who did change his ways and dealt with the consequences of what he had done. The others didn't. . . they kept making the same mistakes and got beheaded for it. John Kirin (finally remembered his name) changed his ways and became a different person. Kern was still the same racist, overbearing bully he had been, Kanis was still a punk, Kinman was still an amoral hitman, Kalas was still an honorless murdering bastard, Hyde was still a hunter, Kronos was still a sociopathic maruader. . . the list goes on and one. They hadn't changed at all since the flashbacks that showed how Duncan met them, not really. New wardrobe, new haircut, but that's it.
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Post by Thorr on Apr 15, 2008 12:03:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but your suggestion for a new show was one where the immortal -doesn't- change their ways to conform with newer morality. If you meant something different in your initial suggestion, then your wording doesn't support it.
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Post by erikmodi on Apr 15, 2008 17:45:33 GMT -5
That's what I'd really like to see explored in a new Highlander show. . . a person who, a hundred (or two, or three, or four hundred) years ago, was following the prevailing morality of the time, a morality that has changed significantly since then. Then having to deal with the consequences of those changes. My point was that both moralities have changed. Whatever the prevailing moral stance at the time is, that's what they're following, to fit in and because they see humans evolving societally towards something better (usually.) The statement is intended to convey that the world around them has changed, and they have changed with it, but still have things in their past they've done that are now considered immoral, if not outright evil.
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Post by headswillroll on Apr 17, 2008 7:53:00 GMT -5
This is exactly what pretty much EVERY 'bad guy' was doing. Just watch every highlander episode form the point of view of the enemy and you have this idea done. Not really. Most of them didn't really change over the years. Kanis was still brining people down with his dogs, and the dogs were more important to him then anyone or anything else. Kern was still a murdering bastard, Kinman was still an assassin for hire, etc. Most of the bad guys were still doing the same bad guy things they'd done back in the day. When he did meet an Immortal who'd actually changed, he left him alive. Can't remember dude's name, but the guy who'd been a war profiteer in Spain and Korea, then changed his ways and became a religious leader. Yeah, until he realized it was a hoax.
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Post by erikmodi on Apr 17, 2008 10:56:55 GMT -5
Not really. Most of them didn't really change over the years. Kanis was still brining people down with his dogs, and the dogs were more important to him then anyone or anything else. Kern was still a murdering bastard, Kinman was still an assassin for hire, etc. Most of the bad guys were still doing the same bad guy things they'd done back in the day. When he did meet an Immortal who'd actually changed, he left him alive. Can't remember dude's name, but the guy who'd been a war profiteer in Spain and Korea, then changed his ways and became a religious leader. Yeah, until he realized it was a hoax. Watch the episode again. It wasn't a hoax.
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Post by greg on Apr 17, 2008 12:15:32 GMT -5
Im glad we can all agree that Duncan was a jackass. =)
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