Developers Prize Cards Poll
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 2, 2014 18:52:51 GMT -5
This poll concerns the Developers Prize Cards from a few years ago. They were created by the previous Design Team, intended to be giveaway cards, not to be taken seriously. Recently they have been causing some problems in tournament play. You, the fans, have told us how you feel about these cards, so we wanted to get a wider sampling of how people feel.
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Post by kurganfan on Sept 2, 2014 22:37:50 GMT -5
Other than the notorious Video Game card, could you toss us a list of cards you think would fall into this category? If it's a card that was never intended for general release it should not be legal, but otherwise I'm not a fan of banning cards. And no I did not beat Nigels deck, I just think if it's intended for play it should not languish in a box or binder.
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Post by clique84 on Sept 2, 2014 23:30:25 GMT -5
Other than the notorious Video Game card, could you toss us a list of cards you think would fall into this category? If it's a card that was never intended for general release it should not be legal, but otherwise I'm not a fan of banning cards. And no I did not beat Nigels deck, I just think if it's intended for play it should not languish in a box or binder. A few years ago, the previous designers thought it would be "funny" to have a prize pack of cards they could give away if you beat them in a casual game. One was the Highlander Video Game, there were others, like a There Can Be Only One edge card that you would play on an unblockable, undodgeable attack you played, and it was now blockable and dodgeable and your opponent's first attack during his turn gained the UB/UD. There were others, but they were mainly to "handicap" you or had the opposite of a good effect. They were not playtested, and never intended for use in tournament play. But without an official "banning" of them in black and white, lo and behold the NPE lean and mean deck arose. |
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Post by headswillroll on Sept 6, 2014 19:44:44 GMT -5
Agree whole heartedly, Steve and I don't want to ban anything if we do not have to. That is why I poured all that work into fixing and unbanning all those cards in the Type One format that I could. I faced a much meaner version of the Seacouver/6HTVG deck about a year ago. I was able to thwart it with a Kastagir deck no doubt. Once I realized the weaknesses of the deck, I never worried about it again, but never let my guard down for it. Nigel's deck was the first I had heard of that combo resurfacing. I am by no means justifying the cards in question, I am just saying it is very beatable, and not only by tool box. After Prowler made me aware of this, we bounced around the options for these gimmick cards, we elected to throw this poll concerning the four cards in question to get everyone's take on the subject especially since they are few in number out there. Thank you for your opinions and insights, as we have shown, we listen and respond accordingly with balanced judgments for the better of the game and the players.
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Post by highlander1988 on Sept 8, 2014 9:32:12 GMT -5
Agree whole heartedly, Steve and I don't want to ban anything if we do not have to. That is why I poured all that work into fixing and unbanning all those cards in the Type One format that I could. I faced a much meaner version of the Seacouver/6HTVG deck about a year ago. I was able to thwart it with a Kastagir deck no doubt. Once I realized the weaknesses of the deck, I never worried about it again, but never let my guard down for it. Nigel's deck was the first I had heard of that combo resurfacing. I am by no means justifying the cards in question, I am just saying it is very beatable, and not only by tool box. After Prowler made me aware of this, we bounced around the options for these gimmick cards, we elected to throw this poll concerning the four cards in question to get everyone's take on the subject especially since they are few in number out there. Thank you for your opinions and insights, as we have shown, we listen and respond accordingly with balanced judgments for the better of the game and the players. Could you go into a little more detail about how you easily beat it in Lean and Mean? There is only so much room for toolbox in Lean and Mean if you want to field a deck that actually does something. The way Nigel built it with Kyala and Master's Collection it is very difficult to stop. Thanks again for involving the player base in game decisions. Scott |
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Post by clique84 on Sept 8, 2014 9:33:53 GMT -5
Here are the problems I have with your line of reasoning:
1) Just because you personally have never lost to it, does not mean that everyone is able to work around. Also, in typical fashion, you neglect to share the workaround.
2) Saying there are few in number of them is not a justification. That actually makes matters worse, especially for newer players who have never seen the card before and therefore do not know to be on guard for it.
3) For the life of me I cannot fathom why there is such hesitation to ban cards that were never intended to be included in the card pool, especially in any kind of tournament capacity. From what I have noticed with rulings, "intent of the card" has been the governing factor in most cases.
4) I do appreciate that there is a willingness to listen to the player base.
Bill
2014 Type Two World Champion
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Post by headswillroll on Sept 9, 2014 5:32:14 GMT -5
Here are the problems I have with your line of reasoning: 1) Just because you personally have never lost to it, does not mean that everyone is able to work around. Also, in typical fashion, you neglect to share the workaround. Bill 2014 Type Two World Champion LMAO, you are right, as in typical fashion, I normally don't discuss the deck strategy stuff. You are also right in the fact that not everyone is able to work around it, it is a crafty build, I just got lucky and saw the weaknesses in the deck and played accordingly. No worries, will be resolved soon. |
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Post by clique84 on Sept 9, 2014 12:16:54 GMT -5
Agree whole heartedly, Steve and I don't want to ban anything if we do not have to. That is why I poured all that work into fixing and unbanning all those cards in the Type One format that I could. I faced a much meaner version of the Seacouver/6HTVG deck about a year ago. I was re-reading your post and the above statement bothered me. I do not think people realize what an amazing deckbuilder and player Nigel is. He does not have a play group to test decks against like many of us do. Anything he plays at Gencon is basically the first time any given deck he plays sees contact with the enemy. As evidenced by his multiple world championships, Nigel is truly a world class player, and deserves credit for designing a deck that, at least I think, took that concept to it's ultimate level. I am sure you meant nothing negative by the comment, but I felt it needed to be said. Bill |
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Post by prowler7 on Sept 9, 2014 13:58:14 GMT -5
There is nothing negative meant in comments about Nigel's deck or any of these decks. They are all world class and a tribute to the builder/player. People spent months and hours on these decks, and having neutered MANY a great deck, we do not take this duty lightly.
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Post by headswillroll on Sept 10, 2014 5:32:31 GMT -5
Agree whole heartedly, Steve and I don't want to ban anything if we do not have to. That is why I poured all that work into fixing and unbanning all those cards in the Type One format that I could. I faced a much meaner version of the Seacouver/6HTVG deck about a year ago. I was re-reading your post and the above statement bothered me. I do not think people realize what an amazing deckbuilder and player Nigel is. He does not have a play group to test decks against like many of us do. Anything he plays at Gencon is basically the first time any given deck he plays sees contact with the enemy. As evidenced by his multiple world championships, Nigel is truly a world class player, and deserves credit for designing a deck that, at least I think, took that concept to it's ultimate level. I am sure you meant nothing negative by the comment, but I felt it needed to be said. Bill There was no negative intent behind it. |
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Post by ultra on Sept 10, 2014 10:53:45 GMT -5
hi.
new here.
what is "the video game"?
thought it never got off the ground.
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Post by clique84 on Sept 10, 2014 10:59:53 GMT -5
hi. new here. what is "the video game"? thought it never got off the ground. You are probably thinking of the video game that was supposed to come out a few years ago that was scrapped in development. What we are discussing here is a promo card "Highlander: The Video Game", based off of, I think, a Commodore 64-ish version. |
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Post by ultra on Sept 10, 2014 11:05:30 GMT -5
oh.
And where do we go to get these new cards?
i can't seem to readily find where to purchase.
Also, do we still get Q's for winning tournaments?
How about the swords?
Thanks for fast reply.
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Post by billj on Sept 10, 2014 11:20:21 GMT -5
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Post by ultra on Sept 10, 2014 16:38:55 GMT -5
Hi billj, what are hilts? could not find any at that store site so thought i'd ask. Thanks. PS- i dont mean to hijack thread, mods please move if necessary. |
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